How many times has Howard started this exact same thread or said the exact same thing in threads in general?
No one cares if someone juices. What pisses some of us off is that the
full role
is not acknowledged. Like when Howard insinuates that O'Hearn might have been natural most of his career or just dabbled. Or when some dudes here, lifetime natural ones, say they know guys who look almost the same as Mike without drugs and guys are doubting due to their own shortcomings when it comes to dedication to training and diet.
The fact of the at Mike's drug history is extremely extensive and an absolutely critical aspect of his "success". There is no "dabble" here!
Howard does not seem to understand this, which is why he looked the way he looked by only shooting 2cc of Winstrol a week for 8 weeks. He says he couldn't have achieved anything significant in bb anyway... but he does not know, because he never tried seriously.
Heres an example of a completely delusional view of reality. It never ends.
on the flip side, to be objective, why is it so unbelievable that occassionally one or two freaks appear?
o'hearn has nothing of the tell tale signs of a drug abuser, and his physique hasnt changed very much for years.
how many weight trainers train strictly and eat strict for years on end and dont get injured or end up abusing rec drugs?
what amazes me is that GB has so many people on it that immediately rule out the possibility of achieving mike's look.
this look that he has doesnt win him regional contests when up against obvious drug users, and he doesnt have the bunched up, bloated appearance, with speckled skin and distended stomach that so many others do.
yet he still doesnt suddenly get massive.
the more you look at it from an objective standpoint, the more evidence there is that he isnt a user.
that is, once you can get past the bias that you think it cant be done without gear.
that mentality was prevalent here at GB when GH15 was around. try hanging out with some totally natural guys who eat well and train hard and have good genetics and you'll be impressed how much size and shape is possible.
size, bfat and shape are NOT evidence of drug abuse unless they are accompanied by things like bitch tits, aggressive attitude, poor skin, palumboism, guts, abnormal skeletal size, large changes in bweight, water bloat, site scarring, admittance of use, more than minimal new muscle tissue each year. also, hair loss CAN be, but male hair loss is common so its not a smoking gun.
so whilst it is true that some guys who are admitted drug users also dont have many indicators, almost all of them had some of the indicators at one time or more.
the fact is that those who say he is a user, dont know. all it shows is that the person believes that what he has achieved isnt possible. and thats a reflection on themselves.
As to the bolded, it's a reflection on not being a dumbass
