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Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« on: January 12, 2016, 12:18:51 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/12/bernie-sanders-widens-lead-over-hillary-clinton-in-new-hampshire-poll-finds/


Bernie Sanders Has Edge in Iowa and Widens New Hampshire Lead, Polls Find
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Senator Bernie Sanders, right, in conversation with the moderator Jorge Ramos at the Iowa Brown and Black Forum at Drake University on Monday night.
Senator Bernie Sanders, right, in conversation with the moderator Jorge Ramos at the Iowa Brown and Black Forum at Drake University on Monday night.Credit Max Whittaker for The New York Times

Updated, 12:46 p.m. | Senator Bernie Sanders is breaking away from Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire and is edging ahead of her in Iowa, according to new polls that show him solidifying the support of Democrats ahead the first two 2016 presidential primary election contests.

The polls add to mounting pressure on Mrs. Clinton, who was seen for months as an overwhelming favorite in the race, to avoid another upset from an insurgent Democratic challenger after her 2008 loss to Senator Barack Obama for the party’s nomination.

A survey from Quinnipiac University found that 49 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers in Iowa are planning to back Mr. Sanders while 44 percent support Mrs. Clinton. The results represent a shift from a month ago, when the former secretary of state was leading Mr. Sanders by 11 percentage points. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

“Iowa may well become Senator Bernie Sanders’s ‘Field of Dreams,’” said Peter A. Brown, director of the Quinnipiac poll. “After three months of Secretary Hillary Clinton holding an average 10-point lead among Iowa Democrats, the playing field has changed.”

The Vermont senator has been gaining ground on Mrs. Clinton in recent polls and capitalizing on a lack of enthusiasm for her candidacy less than three weeks before the Feb. 1 Iowa caucuses. The Quinnipiac poll found that Mr. Sanders is seen as more honest and empathetic than Mrs. Clinton, and stronger on climate change and the economy. She is viewed as being more electable in a general election and stronger on foreign policy.

Gender is also turning about to be a significant factor in how the candidates are performing, with men preferring Mr. Sanders by a margin of 61 percent to 30 percent. Women back Mrs. Clinton by a margin of 55 percent to 39 percent.

A separate survey from Monmouth University, released on Tuesday, shows Mr. Sanders leading Mrs. Clinton by a margin of 53 percent to 39 percent. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus five percentage points.

The results signify a significant shift in the New Hampshire race, as Mrs. Clinton had a narrow advantage over Mr. Sanders there in a November poll from Monmouth. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News/Marist poll released this week showed Mr. Sanders with a four-percentage-point lead there.

Perhaps more worrying for Mrs. Clinton is the finding that a majority of New Hampshire voters said that their choice is set, while only 35 percent were completely decided two months ago.

“New Hampshire Democratic preferences are getting baked in, with Sanders gaining the upper hand,” Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, said in a statement. “The final question will be who does a better job at turning out their respective voting blocs.”

Mr. Sanders is now leading Mrs. Clinton among all the major voting blocs in New Hampshire. According to Tuesday’s survey, he has overtaken her with female voters — a core constituency for the former secretary of state who would be the first female president. And he is also leading her among independent voters and with registered Democrats.

With his message of fighting to reduce income inequality and taking on Wall Street, Mr. Sanders continues to be the candidate of choice for younger voters in New Hampshire. But he has also managed to broaden his appeal since November, overtaking Mrs. Clinton with voters who are over age 50.

Lagging the two top candidates is Martin O’Malley, the former Maryland governor. His support sits at 5 percent in New Hampshire and 4 percent in Iowa, according to the new polls. But with the race tightening, his supporters could become a determining factor if they shift toward Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 12:33:46 PM »
The next 2 or 3 weeks are going to be VERY interesting.

Hillary is in trouble.

I can't believe i'm saying this but it looks like Bernie PROBABLY takes both states and by a pretty commanding margin.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 02:15:29 PM »
guys, this is 2016.  we know how shit works.  Bernie is enjoying his little moment in the sun, but this is the clintons, who have encouraged a train wreck to run in the GOP, and have limited their only threat to impotent servergate/benghazi hearings, and the old bald crazy sanders.

She has shit on him, she will unleash it.  she tried it on christmas, and remember all the networks falling in line with "is sanders finished"?   I'm predicting in the next few days, we get a major scandal/ bombshell/ surprise about sanders, and the media IMMEDIATELY declares his momentum over, and the dumb shit primary voters hop right on... and hilary wins iowa and new hampshire as planned.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 02:25:43 PM »
guys, this is 2016.  we know how shit works.  Bernie is enjoying his little moment in the sun, but this is the clintons, who have encouraged a train wreck to run in the GOP, and have limited their only threat to impotent servergate/benghazi hearings, and the old bald crazy sanders.

She has shit on him, she will unleash it.  she tried it on christmas, and remember all the networks falling in line with "is sanders finished"?   I'm predicting in the next few days, we get a major scandal/ bombshell/ surprise about sanders, and the media IMMEDIATELY declares his momentum over, and the dumb shit primary voters hop right on... and hilary wins iowa and new hampshire as planned.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2016, 02:36:56 PM »
guys, this is 2016.  we know how shit works.  Bernie is enjoying his little moment in the sun, but this is the clintons, who have encouraged a train wreck to run in the GOP, and have limited their only threat to impotent servergate/benghazi hearings, and the old bald crazy sanders.

She has shit on him, she will unleash it.  she tried it on christmas, and remember all the networks falling in line with "is sanders finished"?   I'm predicting in the next few days, we get a major scandal/ bombshell/ surprise about sanders, and the media IMMEDIATELY declares his momentum over, and the dumb shit primary voters hop right on... and hilary wins iowa and new hampshire as planned.
What happens if your prediction does not pan out at all?  Then what?

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 03:01:33 PM »
This may be the problem:

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She is viewed as being more electable in a general election and stronger on foreign policy.

The "stronger on foreign policy" response is the result of brainwashing in media.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 03:06:16 PM »
Hillary won't hesitate to destroy Bernie on her way in.  If she saw him as a threat and she honestly thought she could get away with having him blasted, you know damn well she'd do it.

If Bernie could stand a chance, he'd have people trying to kill him from all sides.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2016, 03:12:10 PM »
Hillary won't hesitate to destroy Bernie on her way in.  If she saw him as a threat and she honestly thought she could get away with having him blasted, you know damn well she'd do it.

If Bernie could stand a chance, he'd have people trying to kill him from all sides.

You people give that woman WAY too much credit.

And yes, Bernie has a VERY real chance.

Well, until the DNC possibly brings in a John Kerry, Joe Biden or Al Gore type to come in and screw both of them.

Hillary is in trouble. Red flags all over the place.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2016, 03:16:00 PM »
You people give that woman WAY too much credit.

And yes, Bernie has a VERY real chance.

Well, until the DNC possibly brings in a John Kerry, Joe Biden or Al Gore type to come in and screw both of them.

Hillary is in trouble. Red flags all over the place.

Clearly, the media backs Hillary.  That's 90pct of the fight, minimum.

The cackling witch is on her way to cast spells in the WH, making the middle class disappear before our eyes.  That's what's up.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 03:27:46 PM »
Clearly, the media backs Hillary.  That's 90pct of the fight, minimum.

The cackling witch is on her way to cast spells in the WH, making the middle class disappear before our eyes.  That's what's up.

WAS 90% of the fight....5 to 10 years ago.

New media, social media, forums such as this...

The Old Guard Media isn't the formidable force it once was. People can openly discuss/critize/mock the mainstream media like never before and change the narration.

Nowadays, I'm thinking more along the lines of 70 to 75% or so...and weakening every year.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 03:38:35 PM »
WAS 90% of the fight....5 to 10 years ago.

New media, social media, forums such as this...

The Old Guard Media isn't the formidable force it once was. People can openly discuss/critize/mock the mainstream media like never before and change the narration.

Nowadays, I'm thinking more along the lines of 70 to 75% or so...and weakening every year.

I'd like nothing better than to agree with you.  But looks to me that independent thought is at its lowest ever.

And so many of these internet sites that pretend to be "nonMSM" are just extensions of the MSM.  They corral the people up and tell them exactly what to think, precisely in the manner of MSM and with the exact same issues, and we'd never know the difference between them and everyone else watching TV.

The kid with the clock was a perfect example of that, but so is every issue.

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Re: Bernie Sanders is now ahead of Clinton in Iowa
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 07:13:26 PM »
What happens if your prediction does not pan out at all?  Then what?

then i'm wrong.  the nature of predictions is that they don't always work out :)

i predicted cruz would be the #1 choice for conservatives.
I predicted trump would win the nomination.
I predicted hilary inserted trump into lineup to wreck walker, jeb, etc.
i predicted hilary wins most if not all states.
i predicted hilary or trump wins 40 states.

so far, i've been very accurate.