NBA All Star game 2016 - no white players

[Al Doggity]

I'll admit, I know little of Twitter or other tech companies hiring practices.
But, I'm pretty sure they want the BEST possible people working for them.

I don't see any  conspiracy to keep white guys out of the NBA nor do I see any credible plan to keep blacks from working for tech companies...



In the end I see no racial conspiracy in the NBA or in the Tech sector.

Firstly, you just said you knew little about Twitter's and other tech companies' hiring practices, so how would you even be able to make an informed opinion on whether or not there's a conspiracy? Even if there was very clear evidence of a conspiracy, you just said you knew little about the subject. Would anyone expect someone who has no knowledge of a particular subject to have any relevant insights on that subject?

Secondly, I've never made the argument  that there is a CONSPIRACY and most people who are proponents of workplace diversity don't talk about conspiracies. What we do acknowledge is the persistence of an environment that perpetuates a closed, exclusive network.

Let me add that the lower % of blacks working in tech companies is "proof" of racist hiring , is flawed.
That would be like saying the low % of white's in the NBA is "proof" the league has a racial bias for blacks.

Equal opportunity doesn't always end up with equal results.
This is the mistake many make when it comes to race and policy.
They wrongly assume that an equal shot will, by default, give an equal result.

Tech companies want results , just like pro sports teams.

No, it wouldn't and that has been the point I have been trying to make for this entire thread. I would love to make a long-assed post about this, but I feel like on this board, the longer your post, the less likely it is to be read and understood, so I will try to make some points with a reasonable degree of brevity.

Look at this chart:



These are the results of a survey that was run by Inc. magazine about how and when people get their jobs. Different sources have conducted similar polls and studies and the results have mostly been similar. I can't find it now, but one studied showed that 60% or upper middle class jobs are never publicly advertised because they are filled in-house or by referrals. So, if a business is mostly populated by one type of worker and those workers' social circles are populated by one type of acquaintance, then the cycle of one type of worker within a closed network is perpetuated. So that blows up the idea of "equal opportunity." It also blows up the idea of only hiring the best possible people. This is the opposite of how pro sports works. Pro-athletes are actively and aggressively recruited. People don't get to play in the NBA because of who they are friends with. The idea that the general work force is made up of people who got their jobs because they were the best and brightest is generally a myth. These are just a few MORE of the reasons a comparison between pro sports and almost every other profession makes no sense.

[ZeroPatience]

shut the fuck up you monkey.

[SOMEPARTS]

Howard is faster than Levrone then?

[Al Doggity]

Dear Al,

I must give you credit for posting such a well organized and thoughtful post.
The deal is,  we now live in an era where a black man can be elected to the highest office in the land.
THUS, no official policy can stop anyone who figures out how to deal with the system and work hard.
Bias , prejudice and personal opinion will always have a roll in society so long as humans make the decisions.

I simply do my best to judge people as individuals within my own human flaws.

All the best to you.

LOL well, it looks like we've reached the point where it's easier to double down on "you know what you know" and bowing out instead of looking at info that might open up your perspective. It is what it is.

For the record, there have always been high-achieving blacks and there always will be. There's a huge gap between "no official policy" and "equal opportunity". It's great that you do your best to judge people as individuals. It really is. What that has to do with systemic imbalances in education and employment, I don't get. 

[Coffeed]

Ever notice how white bodybuilders try to appear black for the Mr Olympia contest?

That's not some weird coincidence year after year. The judges are awarding a certain "look" if you know what I mean.

[Royalty]

Ever notice how white bodybuilders try to appear black for the Mr Olympia contest?

That's not some weird coincidence year after year. The judges are awarding a certain "look" if you know what I mean.

It's called Tanning

[doggler]

Well l, I honestly believe everyone has a shot today to climb to the highest level .
Obama and Clinton did it and were both raised within avg income households.

In my experience and OPINION, nobody gives anyone anything in this life .
Things aren't always fair and people can have bias and prejudice, etc.

In my PERSONAL judgment, everyone has a shot, and that's the best it's going to be in the real world.

Just remember , equal opportunity doesn't  guarantee  equal results

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Thanks, Dr.Phil.  I feel much better now.

[Howard]

Thanks, Dr.Phil.  I feel much better now.

Classic get big zinger! This is why I love getbig

You're a smart, funny man Al.

[Al Doggity]

Well l, I honestly believe everyone has a shot today to climb to the highest level .
Obama and Clinton did it and were both raised within avg income households.

In my experience and OPINION, nobody gives anyone anything in this life .
Things aren't always fair and people can have bias and prejudice, etc.

In my PERSONAL judgment, everyone has a shot, and that's the best it's going to be in the real world.

Just remember , equal opportunity doesn't  guarantee  equal results

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There's a difference between your personal judgment and the way things actually are, though. We see all the time that people are handed things in this life. You keep repeating "equal opportunity doesn't guarnatee equal results" but continue to ignore that the equal opportunity part doesn't exist. Like I said, it is what it is. When  someone is committed to seeing something a particular way, facts don't really get in the way. Of course, you're probably thinking that about me LOL

Classic get big zinger! This is why I love getbig

You're a smart, funny man Al.

I am both of these things, but a different poster posted this.

[Al Doggity]

Al, c'mon now we're on getbig.  

All I know is that since the dawn of civilization , men have fought wars over many different things.
One group wins and another is vanquished.

In the history of mankind, "might  makes right" with a few notable exceptions .

The real Golden rule has always been, those who have the GOLD make the rules.

Things are never going to be 100% fair in any human society and that's just life my friend.

If that's your personal opinion, "Life isn't fair, that's how it's always been, those who have the gold make the rules", then that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But when you try to claim that a majority black NBA is just like a majority white corporation or that corporations only hire the best or that a country having a black president means that the entire employment sector is balanced and equitable... man, that's just not factual. If you want to resort to "my opinion is this, this is how I feel", then fine. I can't tell you how what you're entitled to feel. But if you want to talk about facts and make false equivalencies, then I will explain to you why they are not apt comparisons.