New American Way of Life

[loco]

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[SCRUBS]

They missed the voting for Bernie part

[Irongrip400]

I wonder how many of these scenarios are actually true?

I have a slumlord buddy who had a repo man come to him and ask if "so and so" lived there and if she drove a gold Lexus. He said no, that she used to but now drives an accord or something. Evidently, she had switched cars with a friend who lived somewhere else, who also had the repo man after her car. It's like "Strangers On A Train" except with stolen cars.

[Marty Champions]

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wow that is crooked as hell but very few blacks will ever buy a house

78 percent of all blacks dont make it past 34 before death or incarceration

[Costanza]

wow that is crooked as hell but very few blacks will ever buy a house

78 percent of all blacks dont make it past 34 before death or incarceration

dam thats a hell of a statistic 

[oldtimer1]

These scams are so true. Can't count how many guys have their wives collecting disability to add to their income.  One of the big ones is mental illness.  You can collect for life yet go sky diving, running and lifting weights if you feel like it because physically you are perfect.

[drkaje]

dam thats a hell of a statistic 

Do you believe it?

[Never1AShow]

This is not perfectly legal.  Gf has to certify no one else living there.  That's fraud.  Same as to lying about disability.  Probably other things too.

[Never1AShow]

I wonder how many of these scenarios are actually true?

I have a slumlord buddy who had a repo man come to him and ask if "so and so" lived there and if she drove a gold Lexus. He said no, that she used to but now drives an accord or something. Evidently, she had switched cars with a friend who lived somewhere else, who also had the repo man after her car. It's like "Strangers On A Train" except with stolen cars.

But can she leg press 1800 pounds while receiving a Navy disability pension for a bum knee?

[Walter Sobchak]

These scams are so true. Can't count how many guys have their wives collecting disability to add to their income.  One of the big ones is mental illness.  You can collect for life yet go sky diving, running and lifting weights if you feel like it because physically you are perfect.

There is a woman who works in one of our offices who has a husband on full disability.

He is supposedly a mechanic, but he is too fat to stand on his feet all day, so he is on disability.

He always brags about waking up about noon, meeting his buddies for lunch, then riding his Harley all afternoon.

[drkaje]

State employees scam the system pretty often through worker's comp.

[liberalismo]

Impossible scenario.

While Section 8 is frequently derided in the fashion referenced above, it's very difficult to play the system in the manner described due to the low supply versus tremendous demand for housing and vouchers among those in need of it. Applicants typically have to spend years on waiting lists before Section 8 housing becomes available, and in many cases it takes years to even get one's name on a waiting list in the first place.

So it's extremely unlikely the baby daddy landlord in this hypothetical scenario could simply make a residence available for the Section 8 program and then immediately rent it to the tenant of his choosing. He'd typically have to wait years for his preferred renter (i.e., his girlfriend) to get on a Section 8 waiting list, then more years for her to work her way to the top of the list, before he could double-dip by getting the government to subsidize his girlfriend's paying him rent to live in a house he owns.

There is a persistent misperception that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (also known as PPACA, the ACA, or "Obamacare") somehow allows low-income Americans to "sign up" for free medical care and/or free health insurance. It doesn't.

Pell grants won't pay for college 100%. Trust me, I know.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as "food stamps") is an often criticized assistance program aimed at combating hunger by financially struggling families. Eligibility for SNAP varies based on household size, but the maximum monthly allotment ranges from $194 for a family of one to $1,169 for a family of eight. Each additional family member after that can qualify a household for up to $146 more each month in benefits, or just under $5 per person per day. The household size posited here (a single mother with two children) wouldn't qualify for $600 per month in SNAP benefits.

Also people can't just claim disability. My legitimately disabled mother has been trying to for 5 years.
For starters, one cannot simply declare herself to be mentally ill or have back problems, then sit back and collect disability payments for the rest of her (working) life. Such claims have to be documented by medical professionals as genuinely disabling conditions, and even then those living with disabilities find that securing benefits isn't quite so easy. Presuming the woman in this anecdote is fairly young, she would have to have accrued sufficient work credits to qualify for lifelong disability payments (an unlikely scenario), and then she would still have to meet separate criteria for a qualifying condition (which precludes having earned more than $1,090 per month in that year).

Also, the "perfectly legal" part is not legal at all. Falsifying documents, address, faking taxes are all highly illegal.

[HTexan]

somebody got a broken heart.

[Parker]

Impossible scenario.

While Section 8 is frequently derided in the fashion referenced above, it's very difficult to play the system in the manner described due to the low supply versus tremendous demand for housing and vouchers among those in need of it. Applicants typically have to spend years on waiting lists before Section 8 housing becomes available, and in many cases it takes years to even get one's name on a waiting list in the first place.

So it's extremely unlikely the baby daddy landlord in this hypothetical scenario could simply make a residence available for the Section 8 program and then immediately rent it to the tenant of his choosing. He'd typically have to wait years for his preferred renter (i.e., his girlfriend) to get on a Section 8 waiting list, then more years for her to work her way to the top of the list, before he could double-dip by getting the government to subsidize his girlfriend's paying him rent to live in a house he owns.

There is a persistent misperception that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (also known as PPACA, the ACA, or "Obamacare") somehow allows low-income Americans to "sign up" for free medical care and/or free health insurance. It doesn't.

Pell grants won't pay for college 100%. Trust me, I know.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as "food stamps") is an often criticized assistance program aimed at combating hunger by financially struggling families. Eligibility for SNAP varies based on household size, but the maximum monthly allotment ranges from $194 for a family of one to $1,169 for a family of eight. Each additional family member after that can qualify a household for up to $146 more each month in benefits, or just under $5 per person per day. The household size posited here (a single mother with two children) wouldn't qualify for $600 per month in SNAP benefits.

Also people can't just claim disability. My legitimately disabled mother has been trying to for 5 years.
For starters, one cannot simply declare herself to be mentally ill or have back problems, then sit back and collect disability payments for the rest of her (working) life. Such claims have to be documented by medical professionals as genuinely disabling conditions, and even then those living with disabilities find that securing benefits isn't quite so easy. Presuming the woman in this anecdote is fairly young, she would have to have accrued sufficient work credits to qualify for lifelong disability payments (an unlikely scenario), and then she would still have to meet separate criteria for a qualifying condition (which precludes having earned more than $1,090 per month in that year).

Also, the "perfectly legal" part is not legal at all. Falsifying documents, address, faking taxes are all highly illegal.

obviously, you have no idea the amount of time people will spend to figure out a way around the system. Now, many states may be different, and more liberal states may be more lienient or lax in the ways of doing things. But, for many people, getting social security disability is quite simple. What is odd, is that it seems odd for others who have legitimate cause for disability have a hard time, but the ones who game the system don't have a hard time.

Just go to the social services place in your area, right when it opens up and see the people who line up. Listen to them talk. Also, talk to the security guards about who comes in. Also talk to the workers in that office when they are off. You will have an eye opening experience.

[drkaje]

@ Parker,

People with legitimate cases still have the ability to feel shame. People intent on gaming the system... not so much. 

[jude2]

obviously, you have no idea the amount of time people will spend to figure out a way around the system. Now, many states may be different, and more liberal states may be more lienient or lax in the ways of doing things. But, for many people, getting social security disability is quite simple. What is odd, is that it seems odd for others who have legitimate cause for disability have a hard time, but the ones who game the system don't have a hard time.

Just go to the social services place in your area, right when it opens up and see the people who line up. Listen to them talk. Also, talk to the security guards about who comes in. Also talk to the workers in that office when they are off. You will have an eye opening experience.

Great point. It will really open your eyes up.  I brought my mom their to get her SS. She is elderly and worked all her life.

[calfzilla]

Not to mention how much Earned Income Credit she could get working part time, but she would have to work to get that but it's also a big redistribution of wealth tool.

[Slik]

Impossible scenario.

While Section 8 is frequently derided in the fashion referenced above, it's very difficult to play the system in the manner described due to the low supply versus tremendous demand for housing and vouchers among those in need of it. Applicants typically have to spend years on waiting lists before Section 8 housing becomes available, and in many cases it takes years to even get one's name on a waiting list in the first place.

So it's extremely unlikely the baby daddy landlord in this hypothetical scenario could simply make a residence available for the Section 8 program and then immediately rent it to the tenant of his choosing. He'd typically have to wait years for his preferred renter (i.e., his girlfriend) to get on a Section 8 waiting list, then more years for her to work her way to the top of the list, before he could double-dip by getting the government to subsidize his girlfriend's paying him rent to live in a house he owns.

There is a persistent misperception that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (also known as PPACA, the ACA, or "Obamacare") somehow allows low-income Americans to "sign up" for free medical care and/or free health insurance. It doesn't.

Pell grants won't pay for college 100%. Trust me, I know.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as "food stamps") is an often criticized assistance program aimed at combating hunger by financially struggling families. Eligibility for SNAP varies based on household size, but the maximum monthly allotment ranges from $194 for a family of one to $1,169 for a family of eight. Each additional family member after that can qualify a household for up to $146 more each month in benefits, or just under $5 per person per day. The household size posited here (a single mother with two children) wouldn't qualify for $600 per month in SNAP benefits.

Also people can't just claim disability. My legitimately disabled mother has been trying to for 5 years.
For starters, one cannot simply declare herself to be mentally ill or have back problems, then sit back and collect disability payments for the rest of her (working) life. Such claims have to be documented by medical professionals as genuinely disabling conditions, and even then those living with disabilities find that securing benefits isn't quite so easy. Presuming the woman in this anecdote is fairly young, she would have to have accrued sufficient work credits to qualify for lifelong disability payments (an unlikely scenario), and then she would still have to meet separate criteria for a qualifying condition (which precludes having earned more than $1,090 per month in that year).

Also, the "perfectly legal" part is not legal at all. Falsifying documents, address, faking taxes are all highly illegal.

hello Bernie

[calfzilla]

True not everything listed is legal but if you work in the system or grew up poor around people like this you will realize that govt handouts and fraudulently claimed at astonishing rates.

[Walter Sobchak]

Impossible scenario.

While Section 8 is frequently derided in the fashion referenced above, it's very difficult to play the system in the manner described due to the low supply versus tremendous demand for housing and vouchers among those in need of it. Applicants typically have to spend years on waiting lists before Section 8 housing becomes available, and in many cases it takes years to even get one's name on a waiting list in the first place.

So it's extremely unlikely the baby daddy landlord in this hypothetical scenario could simply make a residence available for the Section 8 program and then immediately rent it to the tenant of his choosing. He'd typically have to wait years for his preferred renter (i.e., his girlfriend) to get on a Section 8 waiting list, then more years for her to work her way to the top of the list, before he could double-dip by getting the government to subsidize his girlfriend's paying him rent to live in a house he owns.

There is a persistent misperception that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (also known as PPACA, the ACA, or "Obamacare") somehow allows low-income Americans to "sign up" for free medical care and/or free health insurance. It doesn't.

Pell grants won't pay for college 100%. Trust me, I know.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as "food stamps") is an often criticized assistance program aimed at combating hunger by financially struggling families. Eligibility for SNAP varies based on household size, but the maximum monthly allotment ranges from $194 for a family of one to $1,169 for a family of eight. Each additional family member after that can qualify a household for up to $146 more each month in benefits, or just under $5 per person per day. The household size posited here (a single mother with two children) wouldn't qualify for $600 per month in SNAP benefits.

Also people can't just claim disability. My legitimately disabled mother has been trying to for 5 years.
For starters, one cannot simply declare herself to be mentally ill or have back problems, then sit back and collect disability payments for the rest of her (working) life. Such claims have to be documented by medical professionals as genuinely disabling conditions, and even then those living with disabilities find that securing benefits isn't quite so easy. Presuming the woman in this anecdote is fairly young, she would have to have accrued sufficient work credits to qualify for lifelong disability payments (an unlikely scenario), and then she would still have to meet separate criteria for a qualifying condition (which precludes having earned more than $1,090 per month in that year).

Also, the "perfectly legal" part is not legal at all. Falsifying documents, address, faking taxes are all highly illegal.

Fucking bleeding heart liberal justifying why he does this as a way of life....

[Coffeed]

[Irongrip400]

Impossible scenario.

While Section 8 is frequently derided in the fashion referenced above, it's very difficult to play the system in the manner described due to the low supply versus tremendous demand for housing and vouchers among those in need of it. Applicants typically have to spend years on waiting lists before Section 8 housing becomes available, and in many cases it takes years to even get one's name on a waiting list in the first place.

So it's extremely unlikely the baby daddy landlord in this hypothetical scenario could simply make a residence available for the Section 8 program and then immediately rent it to the tenant of his choosing. He'd typically have to wait years for his preferred renter (i.e., his girlfriend) to get on a Section 8 waiting list, then more years for her to work her way to the top of the list, before he could double-dip by getting the government to subsidize his girlfriend's paying him rent to live in a house he owns.

There is a persistent misperception that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (also known as PPACA, the ACA, or "Obamacare") somehow allows low-income Americans to "sign up" for free medical care and/or free health insurance. It doesn't.

Pell grants won't pay for college 100%. Trust me, I know.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as "food stamps") is an often criticized assistance program aimed at combating hunger by financially struggling families. Eligibility for SNAP varies based on household size, but the maximum monthly allotment ranges from $194 for a family of one to $1,169 for a family of eight. Each additional family member after that can qualify a household for up to $146 more each month in benefits, or just under $5 per person per day. The household size posited here (a single mother with two children) wouldn't qualify for $600 per month in SNAP benefits.

Also people can't just claim disability. My legitimately disabled mother has been trying to for 5 years.
For starters, one cannot simply declare herself to be mentally ill or have back problems, then sit back and collect disability payments for the rest of her (working) life. Such claims have to be documented by medical professionals as genuinely disabling conditions, and even then those living with disabilities find that securing benefits isn't quite so easy. Presuming the woman in this anecdote is fairly young, she would have to have accrued sufficient work credits to qualify for lifelong disability payments (an unlikely scenario), and then she would still have to meet separate criteria for a qualifying condition (which precludes having earned more than $1,090 per month in that year).

Also, the "perfectly legal" part is not legal at all. Falsifying documents, address, faking taxes are all highly illegal.

You're lying. I know of no one who is on the system who isn't scamming it for more than that.