Experience with Bronkaid/Coffee stack?

[Ron Jeremy]

No. They have to combine it with an expectorant to sell it. Pure ephedrine is no longer otc and ephedra ( which is less potent than pure ephedrine) has been axed.

[Thong Maniac]

first 2 days i lost 3 lbs, but cant tell if it was just water or what. im only using one pill a day with my coffee. IF style eating so very small 200 call breakfast, 200 cal lunch, and then whatever i want for dinner. 1700 or so total cals

[_aj_]

you dick will get soft from long term use

So ECA will make you impotent and then eventually kill you? Where do I sign up?

[Coffeed]

So ECA will make you impotent and then eventually kill you? Where do I sign up?

Have you seen Ansdreas Munzer's corpse?

People would die to look like that!

[Van_Bilderass]

Used ephedrine most days for maybe 15 years. Last few years rarely due to poor availability. My sensitivity went UP over time. Great drug, pretty safe... much safer bet than any of the pwo and diet pills sold today (designer drugs) so I agree with BB.

Only an idiot or clueless person would used any "pwo" in place of ephedrine if they have a choice.

[Mr Anabolic]

Known 4 guys who did it on and off mostly on for years. Three went into heart failure one died two kinda recovered and the 4th never really recovered and now has chronic fatigue.

I have a friend who got through nursing school/college taking massive amount of E and C everyday.  He was taking 150mg of E and 1000mg of caffeine per day.  He did this for years.  He now has all kinds of problems; heart, nervous system, chronic fatigue, neuropathy, etc.  I told him not to abuse it, he didn't listen to me.  You young guys better be careful.

Small amounts of E can be tolerated, but it's too easy to go overboard chasing the high, especially for people with addictive behavior.

[ProudVirgin69]

I used to love it but lately it just seems to set me on edge.  Its "fat burning" capabilities are way overstated, it's most useful to supress appetite & provide energy for workouts while depleted

[Irongrip400]

I remember about 8-10 years ago taking aMarkus Ruhl endorsed product called "Lipo-6" and that shit was potent as hell. Gave me jitters like nothing else and I ended up tossing it after a week or so.

[Thespritz0]

ECA stack 2 bronk, 2 caffeine 400, 2 aspirin

^^
THAT WOULD WORK, 100%...

[Van_Bilderass]

With ephedrine you must take breaks. It does in fact cause adrenal fatigue.

Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.

150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.

I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't

[Thong Maniac]

ive noticed this actually. the first two doses of eph were nice, had a lil buzz going and felt wired. after that, almost nothing. i dont think i will bump to 50mg though. just gonna do the 25mg with a cup of coffee every morning with a very small 200 cal breakfast. maybe ill split a pill in half and take a smaller second dose around 2pm

[CalvinH]

I have enough problems sleeping-fuck that!

[Mr Anabolic]

150mg?? Wow. What an absolute idiot. The chronic fatigue is definitely from adrenal abuse, he wiped his system red lining that hard.

Crazy huh.  He started small, but needed to take more and more over time to get the same effect.  He got up to 50mg E /350mg caffeine 3x day.  I have no idea how he slept at all.  He's a train wreck today and stopped training years ago... multiple muscle tears and joint/tendon injuries, which IMO were caused by the E&C abuse.  

[Irongrip400]

Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.

150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.

I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't

It's probably because you're suffering from adrenal fatigue bro.

[Van_Bilderass]

It's probably because you're suffering from adrenal fatigue bro.

An ephedrine-naive person will often not even notice any stimulation if the ephedrine is taken with no caffeine.
My sensitivity went up which happens with certain classes of drugs sometimes.

[Van_Bilderass]

Crazy huh.  He started small, but needed to take more and more over time to get the same effect.  He got up to 50mg E /350mg caffeine 3x day.  I have no idea how he slept at all.  He's a train wreck today and stopped training years ago... multiple muscle tears and joint/tendon injuries, which IMO were caused by the E&C abuse.  

So why has ephedrine been made in 50mg tabs if it's such a "crazy" killer dosage?

[Coffeed]

Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.

150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.

I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't

Adrenal fatigue may very well be a bullshit term, but the idea that something in our bodies that produces energy and vigor is being thwarted is very sound. That's probably why it's so widespread.

For instance, if we didn't have the word "addiction" we would still understand that some people who take recreational drugs still feel a strong urge to abuse despite many negative effects.

And really, is it so hard to believe that our bodies are being run in overdrive? Caffeine is everywhere and hidden in just about every "energy drink, 0 calorie" bullshit product plus the constant use of TVs and phones to wreck our sleep cycle. Let's not forget the first world stress as well... In short, "adrenal fatigue" might be a shit term but it attempts to describe some real malady.

[Van_Bilderass]

Adrenal fatigue may very well be a bullshit term, but the idea that something in our bodies that produces energy and vigor is being thwarted is very sound. That's probably why it's so widespread.

For instance, if we didn't have the word "addiction" we would still understand that some people who take recreational drugs still feel a strong urge to abuse despite many negative effects.

And really, is it so hard to believe that our bodies are being run in overdrive? Caffeine is everywhere and hidden in just about every "energy drink, 0 calorie" bullshit product plus the constant use of TVs and phones to wreck our sleep cycle. Let's not forget the first world stress as well... In short, "adrenal fatigue" might be a shit term but it attempts to describe some real malady.

Sure, but there is no way to diagnose it. Is it a mental affliction like allergy to electric devices some claim to have and which feels very real to those people? Ephedrine does affect some reward chemicals so there can be some withdrawal effects. But so does caffeine. Doesn't necessarily mean your adrenals are burned out.

What some call adrenal exhaustion might just be depression for whatever reason. Depression can make you exhausted and ultra sensitive to any bodily sensations.

[Coffeed]

Sure, but there is no way to diagnose it. Is it a mental affliction like allergy to electric devices some claim to have and which feels very real to those people? Ephedrine does affect some reward chemicals so there can be some withdrawal effects. But so does caffeine. Doesn't necessarily mean your adrenals are burned out.

What some call adrenal exhaustion might just be depression for whatever reason. Depression can make you exhausted and ultra sensitive to any bodily sensations.

I agree with what you're saying.

We can't diagnose it. Not being able to diagnose something doesn't preclude it from being "real" in some ways.

For what it's worth, I think it's a string of bad things going together -- high stress, low nutrition food, tons of caffeine, sleep disturbances. That's probably the majority of the population and now you can sprinkle in cigarettes, drugs (Rx or rec), alcohol, pollutants from work or environment, people living off Flint water, etc etc.

Do we really think these things won't have an effect over time? Beau Baisden didn't die from a year of doing roids, but after a decade he sure put himself in a nice deep pile of shit!

[mr.turbo]

ephedrine is like adderall so it's probably fair to assume what works for adderall dependency works for ephedrine. maybe?

turns out aerobic exercise is the cure for all the fatigue etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Addiction

[Coffeed]

ephedrine is like adderall so it's probably fair to assume what works for adderall dependency works for ephedrine. maybe?

turns out aerobic exercise is the cure for all the fatigue etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Addiction

Aerobic exercise is good for human life. Pretty much that simple.

But so is eating nutritious, unprocessed food.

[mr.turbo]

Aerobic exercise is good for human life. Pretty much that simple.

But so is eating nutritious, unprocessed food.

up to a point.  endurance athletes tend to develop their own set of cardiovascular issues, contrary to popular perception.

[Van_Bilderass]

I agree with what you're saying.

We can't diagnose it. Not being able to diagnose something doesn't preclude it from being "real" in some ways.

For what it's worth, I think it's a string of bad things going together -- high stress, low nutrition food, tons of caffeine, sleep disturbances. That's probably the majority of the population and now you can sprinkle in cigarettes, drugs (Rx or rec), alcohol, pollutants from work or environment, people living off Flint water, etc etc.

Do we really think these things won't have an effect over time? Beau Baisden didn't die from a year of doing roids, but after a decade he sure put himself in a nice deep pile of shit!

Ephedrine can have side effects for sure, but all in all a relatively safe substance, even compared to something like caffeine which can make you feel like death. Think how many people used it.
I'm just always questioning things and don't take anecdotes as fact necessarily. People have major symptoms from many common things, like fluoride toothpaste or radiation from their cellphone or whatever and when you investigate closer the person may be just a neurotic.

[Simple Simon]

friend of mine lost everything through ephedrine, started taking it to train then all the time, then started taking Nubain to sleep at night.
Ended up on the streets like a junkie.

Hes sorted himself out now but the physical effects wont ever leave him.

[Van_Bilderass]

friend of mine lost everything through ephedrine, started taking it to train then all the time, then started taking Nubain to sleep at night.
Ended up on the streets like a junkie.

Hes sorted himself out now but the physical effects wont ever leave him.

Again, ephedrine is a rather mild stimulant, weaker than caffeine, which he used too I'm sure. Might as well say he fucked himself with coffee. You don't need Nubain to sleep due to ephedrine just like you don't need it due to drinking coffee. Bottom line, dude liked getting high. Sure pain killers can help you train hard but mainly they make you feel goood... rest is just excuses.