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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2016, 06:13:01 PM »
True, but I wouldn't eat more than a slice or two really. 3 tops. Who is eating the whole thing?

Dj181 on that other thread.  Says that is dinner along with McDonald's for breakfast.  Claims 6 percent bf.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2016, 06:15:21 PM »
i think   goforit is right about upping the fat , for energy.   i had used similar diet in my early 20's and got good results  i was keeping my carbs

to around 50gs a day or less,   the only carbs i would have is a hamburger bun.  sometimes if i felt like i was going to die i would drink a coke

this diet does work if you can  get over the low carbs part that is hard at first.   

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2016, 06:18:15 PM »
If you are following a low to zero carb diet and you are losing muscle and have no energy you are doing it wrong.

disgusted when you put someone on a low carb diet do you have them eat more fats for energy ? i know you have used this quite a bit with your  clients

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #78 on: July 04, 2016, 06:44:10 PM »
Dj181 on that other thread.  Says that is dinner along with McDonald's for breakfast.  Claims 6 percent bf.

Here's must have the greatest metabolism ever. Or the best drugs.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #79 on: July 04, 2016, 06:56:28 PM »
The Olympics are coming up. How many athletes does anyone think are in Ketosis?

If the over/under were 1, I'd bet the under.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2016, 07:40:54 PM »
scott alexander does low  carbs  and he is ripped as hell



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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2016, 07:49:23 PM »
The Olympics are coming up. How many athletes does anyone think are in Ketosis?

If the over/under were 1, I'd bet the under.

Even the most hardcore keto advocates will say you have lower peak power, so it's not appropriate for many sports.  Yet some gurus keep raving about the potential for endurance activities (where peak power doesn't mean as much) -- but how long will it take before we see keto-winners on the podium?  

If it were true, shouldn't it have happened by now?  Has it happened?  Somehow I think I would have heard about it...

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2016, 08:54:55 PM »
Even the most hardcore keto advocates will say you have lower peak power, so it's not appropriate for many sports.  Yet some gurus keep raving about the potential for endurance activities (where peak power doesn't mean as much) -- but how long will it take before we see keto-winners on the podium?  

If it were true, shouldn't it have happened by now?  Has it happened?  Somehow I think I would have heard about it...

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I heard this discussion on a podcast with the guy that wrote the Primal Blueprint diet Mark Sisson, he was saying most elite athletes aren't willing to experiment with it due to the fact they have so much at stake if their performance decreases, most of these athletes have gotten to a high level with whatever nutritional protocol they have been using, it's very hard for someone to scrap their current nutritional program and try something completely different, especially with big money at stake, he also said it could be months until they start seeing the real benefits. I get what he was saying. Its a big gamble, for these athletes so theres not much data out there. For me I was doing a local show, for no prize money, it's not the end of the world if I don't get the best results and don't win my show, not much at stake here, especially because I compete for fun, also I'm interested in trying different nutritional tactics and seeing how I react to them, for me it worked and I won my show, but I'm not an elite athlete, and men's physique is definitely not an endurance sport so who knows..
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2016, 08:55:46 PM »
The Olympics are coming up. How many athletes does anyone think are in Ketosis?

If the over/under were 1, I'd bet the under.

This is muscle thongs, not some weak ass Olympic shit.

The two clearly aren't on the same level. Live by the thong, die by the thong.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2016, 02:03:13 AM »
I heard this discussion on a podcast with the guy that wrote the Primal Blueprint diet Mark Sisson, he was saying most elite athletes aren't willing to experiment with it due to the fact they have so much at stake if their performance decreases, most of these athletes have gotten to a high level with whatever nutritional protocol they have been using, it's very hard for someone to scrap their current nutritional program and try something completely different, especially with big money at stake, he also said it could be months until they start seeing the real benefits. I get what he was saying. Its a big gamble, for these athletes so theres not much data out there. For me I was doing a local show, for no prize money, it's not the end of the world if I don't get the best results and don't win my show, not much at stake here, especially because I compete for fun, also I'm interested in trying different nutritional tactics and seeing how I react to them, for me it worked and I won my show, but I'm not an elite athlete, and men's physique is definitely not an endurance sport so who knows..

mark dreamed up a bunch of "reasons" -- it's easy to do when you have protein powders to sell.  how about this one: "elite athletes have all the money in the world behind them so they can hire the smartest trainers who have been able to develop the best training programs after experimenting on countless lower-level athletes."

makes sense, huh?  ::)

anyway, nothing against you, just can't stand that guy.  actually i think it's cool that you made the switch and are willing to give advice.  if peak power is really affected, then lifting should be affected as well.  have you noticed any difference in performance?  especially as the week goes on and (presumably) your glycogen levels are nearly finished?  (i think you eat carbs one day a week, iirc)

oddly i've heard several anecdotes from forumers, saying no difference in performance, despite virtually every "scientific" source i've read saying this shouldn't be possible.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2016, 02:36:37 AM »
I have tried it but felt so weak and flat within days that i stopped. I get leanner and fuller on very high carbs/protein and near zero fats.
I believe keto does wonders for some bodytypes, but it's not for me.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2016, 03:43:22 AM »
mark dreamed up a bunch of "reasons" -- it's easy to do when you have protein powders to sell.  how about this one: "elite athletes have all the money in the world behind them so they can hire the smartest trainers who have been able to develop the best training programs after experimenting on countless lower-level athletes."

makes sense, huh?  ::)

anyway, nothing against you, just can't stand that guy.  actually i think it's cool that you made the switch and are willing to give advice.  if peak power is really affected, then lifting should be affected as well.  have you noticed any difference in performance?  especially as the week goes on and (presumably) your glycogen levels are nearly finished?  (i think you eat carbs one day a week, iirc)

oddly i've heard several anecdotes from forumers, saying no difference in performance, despite virtually every "scientific" source i've read saying this shouldn't be possible.

Last time I heard Sisson on a Podcast, he had dropped the Keto for improved performance silliness and was trumpeting seeing how many carbs you can get away with.

The calorie myth guys are also backtracking and saying calories in/out is an "oversimplification."

It's guys, who think they know more than everyone else, trying to reinvent the wheel and failing.

Fats are a slower burning energy source than carbs, and, as a result, will be less effective for high intensity efforts. It's as simple as that.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2016, 05:04:02 AM »
I heard this discussion on a podcast with the guy that wrote the Primal Blueprint diet Mark Sisson, he was saying most elite athletes aren't willing to experiment with it due to the fact they have so much at stake if their performance decreases, most of these athletes have gotten to a high level with whatever nutritional protocol they have been using, it's very hard for someone to scrap their current nutritional program and try something completely different, especially with big money at stake, he also said it could be months until they start seeing the real benefits. I get what he was saying. Its a big gamble, for these athletes so theres not much data out there. For me I was doing a local show, for no prize money, it's not the end of the world if I don't get the best results and don't win my show, not much at stake here, especially because I compete for fun, also I'm interested in trying different nutritional tactics and seeing how I react to them, for me it worked and I won my show, but I'm not an elite athlete, and men's physique is definitely not an endurance sport so who knows..

hey go4it thanks for posting your diet, just curious did you drop body weight and fat ? or just fat   

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2016, 05:18:52 AM »
Even the most hardcore keto advocates will say you have lower peak power, so it's not appropriate for many sports.  Yet some gurus keep raving about the potential for endurance activities (where peak power doesn't mean as much) -- but how long will it take before we see keto-winners on the podium?  

If it were true, shouldn't it have happened by now?  Has it happened?  Somehow I think I would have heard about it...

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Yeah, the Keto gurus tried selling this idea to ultra runners, who don't make much money and don't have anything to lose by trying something new. It didn't work as Ultrarunners realized they occasionally have to run  up a hill.

One guy they trumpeted as a fat adapted athlete was Zack Bitter. I went to his blog where he posted his fueling for races.  Among other carb heavy nutritional supps, he listed Coke, Mountain Dew and Lifesavers. Now, I don't have a degree in Biochemistry, but, I'm pretty sure the caloric content of Mountain Dew is primarily carbs.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2016, 05:07:01 PM »
disgusted when you put someone on a low carb diet do you have them eat more fats for energy ? i know you have used this quite a bit with your  clients

Once you get the right amount of protein all you have left to play with is fats.