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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2016, 08:08:53 AM »
How many ice ages have been documented? Multiple. What usually precedes an ice age? A warming/heating of the earth temperatures. The earth's climates have a self regulating mechanism that prevents it from straying too far either way. So, in essence, if there really is going to be global warming, judging by what has happened in the past, this period of increased overall temperatures WILL be followed by a similar cooling off period. And if the retraction is severe enough, it will bring about another ice age.

See, the reason I posted the picture of the mounds of snow in Boston harbor is because most folks have no idea HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT is to get rid of ice. In order for a mini ice-age to get going all it takes is back to back high snowfall winters coupled with relatively cool summers. A few years back, the passes around Mt Rainier had to be closed due to the amount of snow accumulated during the winter. The snow layer was stacked so high than even by mid summer it was still 10 feet tall. By the end of the summer, most of the snow was gone, but had it survived the summer, and had the following winter been another snowmageddon, it could've seriously affected the regions climate, bringing it down a few degrees and, most likely kick-starting a localized mini-ice age. And it does spread.  

You are correct, the earth does cycle, this is dependent on many variables, the sun's output, the earths orbit, species migration, ocean currents etc etc  The problem is that we are altering earth's atmospheric composition rapidly, more so than before. This is the issue, how rapid we are altering things. The permafrost has never melted (might want to double check), we can induce a runaway greenhouse effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

This can occur again, it likely will as it has in the past, but the speed is the issue we are seeing species dying left and right, in line with the past. It appears we are doing it by dumping massive amounts of C02 into the atmosphere.

What sense does it make to continue with non-renewables? it's illogical, it won't work by definition. We have to smarten up and not be reactionary. This doesn't mean driving flintstones cars but investing in alt sources of energy which could supplant coal etc. it has to be better.

Colonizing mars seems idiotic, but if an asteroid wiped out the earth humans as a species are gone, we have to spread out, it's seems silly but the logic is sound, same with this shit regarding earth, we have but one.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2016, 03:32:28 PM »
Here is the thing.

The climatologists and meterologists cannot even get the weather prediction right for next Tuesday, why the hell would anyone believe anything anyone says.

The world has a system of it's own and will evolve in some form whether we want it to or not.

In other words the earth is estimated to be approx 5 billions years old, humans are just a speck on the beach of time. the earth was here long before us and will be here long after us, just like the dinosaurs and super hebrew aliens from Niburu before us
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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #77 on: December 20, 2016, 03:38:11 PM »
Here is the thing.

The climatologists and meterologists cannot even get the weather prediction right for next Tuesday, why the hell would anyone believe anything anyone says.

The world has a system of it's own and will evolve in some form whether we want it to or not.

In other words the earth is estimated to be approx 5 billions years old, humans are just a speck on the beach of time. the earth was here long before us and will be here long after us, just like the dinosaurs and super hebrew aliens from Niburu before us


Shhh...

That'll just be our little secret.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2016, 06:59:24 PM »
You are correct, the earth does cycle, this is dependent on many variables, the sun's output, the earths orbit, species migration, ocean currents etc etc  The problem is that we are altering earth's atmospheric composition rapidly, more so than before. This is the issue, how rapid we are altering things. The permafrost has never melted (might want to double check), we can induce a runaway greenhouse effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

This can occur again, it likely will as it has in the past, but the speed is the issue we are seeing species dying left and right, in line with the past. It appears we are doing it by dumping massive amounts of C02 into the atmosphere.

What sense does it make to continue with non-renewables? it's illogical, it won't work by definition. We have to smarten up and not be reactionary. This doesn't mean driving flintstones cars but investing in alt sources of energy which could supplant coal etc. it has to be better.

Colonizing mars seems idiotic, but if an asteroid wiped out the earth humans as a species are gone, we have to spread out, it's seems silly but the logic is sound, same with this shit regarding earth, we have but one.

Look, I'm not a scientist, I'm just a weather observer with his own weather station who ACTUALLY records and analyzes the data my Davis spits out. I've had the darn thing for about 12 years now and I am not in a position to say that I've noticed a trend upward... just yet (temperature-wise). I honestly believe that the earth overall temperature is indeed rising, but it's the how much and who is at fault that our opinions take different routes. I also know that there is a lot of money involved in the issue and I would not completely rule out some of the data being cooked to show what it's really not.

I am of the opinion that fossil fuels ought to be left where they are at this point. Not because their highly-contaminant nature mind you, but because I believe this country's survival depends solely on being able to science the shit out of alternative energies and making them easily available and cheap for everyone to use and abuse. My apologies for the geo-political ending.

That and fuck the permafrost.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2016, 09:40:10 PM »
Here is the thing.

The climatologists and meterologists cannot even get the weather prediction right for next Tuesday, why the hell would anyone believe anything anyone says.

The world has a system of it's own and will evolve in some form whether we want it to or not.

In other words the earth is estimated to be approx 5 billions years old, humans are just a speck on the beach of time. the earth was here long before us and will be here long after us, just like the dinosaurs and super hebrew aliens from Niburu before us

The daily weather predictions and the long term effects of climate change are not the same science. For example, if the ice caps are melting, this is not something that can be discovered within a week. This science compares decades and not weeks to determine if there they indicate climate change.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2016, 09:49:35 PM »
Look, I'm not a scientist, I'm just a weather observer with his own weather station who ACTUALLY records and analyzes the data my Davis spits out. I've had the darn thing for about 12 years now and I am not in a position to say that I've noticed a trend upward... just yet (temperature-wise). I honestly believe that the earth overall temperature is indeed rising, but it's the how much and who is at fault that our opinions take different routes. I also know that there is a lot of money involved in the issue and I would not completely rule out some of the data being cooked to show what it's really not.

I am of the opinion that fossil fuels ought to be left where they are at this point. Not because their highly-contaminant nature mind you, but because I believe this country's survival depends solely on being able to science the shit out of alternative energies and making them easily available and cheap for everyone to use and abuse. My apologies for the geo-political ending.

That and fuck the permafrost.

Yours is a one of the most intelligent Getbig posts on this subject I've been witness to. You've clearly given this considerable consideration. In my global travels, I've personally seen that the U.S. lags in the science of exploring alternative energy sources.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2016, 10:03:13 PM »
I'm still posting so I'm guessing the world hasn't ended yet.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2016, 10:12:12 PM »
I'm still posting so I'm guessing the world hasn't ended yet.

Not yet and probably not in your lifetime. Your remarks suggest you don't give a crap about the future. This is the "me" generation after all and you seem to fit right in with its philosophy.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2016, 11:09:47 PM »
Not yet and probably not in your lifetime. Your remarks suggest you don't give a crap about the future. This is the "me" generation after all and you seem to fit right in with its philosophy.

And you're remarks suggest you're completely clueless. Dead serious here.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2016, 02:26:23 AM »
Not yet and probably not in your lifetime. Your remarks suggest you don't give a crap about the future. This is the "me" generation after all and you seem to fit right in with its philosophy.

Didn't your local schoolboard ban books that do not endorse  climate "science" ?

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2016, 03:04:07 AM »
Isn't this apparently the warmest year in recorded history?

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2016, 04:20:36 AM »
Look, I'm not a scientist, I'm just a weather observer with his own weather station who ACTUALLY records and analyzes the data my Davis spits out. I've had the darn thing for about 12 years now and I am not in a position to say that I've noticed a trend upward... just yet (temperature-wise). I honestly believe that the earth overall temperature is indeed rising, but it's the how much and who is at fault that our opinions take different routes. I also know that there is a lot of money involved in the issue and I would not completely rule out some of the data being cooked to show what it's really not.

I am of the opinion that fossil fuels ought to be left where they are at this point. Not because their highly-contaminant nature mind you, but because I believe this country's survival depends solely on being able to science the shit out of alternative energies and making them easily available and cheap for everyone to use and abuse. My apologies for the geo-political ending.

That and fuck the permafrost.


But weather is not climate, so even if you observed a trend it would be meaningless, for example now the north is cold due to oscillation of the polar vortex, while the north is cold the south is on fire, how could a weather station be of any help except in unison with others?

I agree with your last point, but I do think it's our actions driving the warming.


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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2016, 04:22:16 AM »
Isn't this apparently the warmest year in recorded history?

yes but as coach pointed out, it's snowing somewhere, warm equals no snow.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2016, 06:36:45 AM »

I agree with your last point, but I do think it's our actions NASA/NOAA modifying data, to fit an agenda, that's driving the warming.



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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #89 on: December 21, 2016, 08:04:58 AM »
Obama admin fired top scientist to advance climate change plans

Congress: Obama admin fired top scientist to advance climate change plans
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/21/congress-obama-admin-fired-top-scientist-to-advance-climate-change-plans.html


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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #90 on: December 21, 2016, 08:13:08 AM »

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #91 on: December 21, 2016, 09:42:56 AM »

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2016, 10:04:51 AM »
Didn't your local schoolboard ban books that do not endorse  climate "science" ?



Portland schools did just that apparently. There nothing I could find supporting a similar action in the West Linn School District, which is my local district. Oregon is very sensitive to freedom of speech issues. It is interesting no one mentioned freedom of speech rights in conjunction with Portland School District's decision.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2016, 10:43:16 AM »
Portland schools did just that apparently. There nothing I could find supporting a similar action in the West Linn School District, which is my local district. Oregon is very sensitive to allow freedom of speech. It is interesting no one mentioned freedom of speech rights in conjunction with Portland School District's decision.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2016, 11:32:00 AM »
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If you say so. What you "fixed" doesn't follow in my opinion. The First Amendment "allows" freedom of speech. Oregon and other states sometimes interpret what constitutes freedom of Speech. In this case, the right to peacefully assemble.

You could rightly argue that these assemblies have not been peaceful. The question might be who instituted the violence. Some say the police did.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #95 on: December 21, 2016, 11:32:50 AM »
Obama admin fired top scientist to advance climate change plans

Sensational title, alas it turns out this is but an unsubstantiated allegation by Rep. Lamar Smith who, in the wake of accusing hundreds (if not thousands) of career civil servants and respected academics, isn't exactly credible.

The body of the article dispenses with the clickbait title and says that it is, indeed, just an allegation that Dr. Metting was removed for office to for being "too forthright" with Congress.

One wonders why Rep. Smith just hasn't called Dr. Metting before the committee again. After all, fired or not, he can still testify, and can be subpoenaed if he won't come willingly. Although, one would imagine that, if he was indeed fired, he'd be itching to testify.

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #96 on: December 21, 2016, 02:59:25 PM »
Yours is a one of the most intelligent Getbig posts on this subject I've been witness to. You've clearly given this considerable consideration. In my global travels, I've personally seen that the U.S. lags in the science of exploring alternative energy sources.

You aren't even close, Prime. Go look up the leading countries for renewable electricity production and we lag only China, and that's only because China uses more hydropower (that is- they have dammed more rivers). We invented the solar cell, btw. We also invented and installed the world's first offshore wind turbine facility.

The list goes on. We lead the world in alternative energy research and development. I worked for Standard Oil in the 80's on the first mass produced flexible solar cell. I also worked on nuclear fusion at a Department of Energy laser fusion facility.

We don't lag anybody...

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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #97 on: December 22, 2016, 07:40:44 PM »
We lag several other countries in the percentage of our power produced via renewables vs others

So "We don't lag anybody" is an idiotic statement from a getbigger thats worked on solar cells and nuclear fusion.


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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #98 on: December 22, 2016, 07:46:22 PM »


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We lag several other countries in the percentage of our power produced via renewables vs others

So "We don't lag anybody" is an idiotic statement from a getbigger thats worked on solar cells and nuclear fusion.



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Re: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
« Reply #99 on: December 22, 2016, 07:55:58 PM »
Here is the thing.

The climatologists and meterologists cannot even get the weather prediction right for next Tuesday, why the hell would anyone believe anything anyone says.

This is like saying 'no one can predict exactly which way a rock pool eddie will whorl, so why would you believe anyone could tell you when the tide will come in?'