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Where and when did the train derail?
« on: July 30, 2017, 08:13:56 AM »

Mike looks insane here.

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 08:18:49 AM »
88 was the last great year.

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 08:21:41 AM »
Widespread insulin and GH use is where the physiques started to change. Fuck a classic physique division, they need a classic supplement division.

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 09:14:40 AM »
Widespread insulin and GH use is where the physiques started to change. Fuck a classic physique division, they need a classic supplement division.

Hate to bust your bubble but Growth Hormone was being used in the 1970's. Guys throughout the 80's were using more and more of HGH with Steroids. Insulin was even being used in the 1980's to a certain extent but guys didn't fully understand how to use it.
Late 1980's Growth hormone dosages started to increase and then someone got really smart with the fast acting insulin.

Saying they didn't used Growth in the 1980's is like kids today wondering if the Rock takes steroids. I think everyone forgets what Duchaine said, "its not a magic pill but escalating dosages."




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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 09:51:34 AM »
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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 10:07:14 AM »

Mike looks insane here.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug, eventually derails everything.

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 10:49:29 AM »
Hate to bust your bubble but Growth Hormone was being used in the 1970's. Guys throughout the 80's were using more and more of HGH with Steroids. Insulin was even being used in the 1980's to a certain extent but guys didn't fully understand how to use it.
Late 1980's Growth hormone dosages started to increase and then someone got really smart with the fast acting insulin.

Saying they didn't used Growth in the 1980's is like kids today wondering if the Rock takes steroids. I think everyone forgets what Duchaine said, "its not a magic pill but escalating dosages."




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Sure, but it was still tightly controlled, and the cost in 1982 for cadaver Crescormin was $10,000 a year in 1982 (around $29,000 a year in 2017 dollars) for a relatively light course of it by bodybuilding standards. Genetech didn't develop a synthetic till 85 with Protropin, which in ran $15,000 - 20,000 (about $36,000 on the low end adjusted for inflation) for a similar light dosage course. So that slowed its use considerably. Indeed, Duchaine, himself, lamented on the old Misc.Fitness.Weights that the first heavy usage of GH that he saw was Lyle Alzado back in the late 80's because he had the money and connections to cover it.

It just didn't lend itself to the levels of abuse we see today because of cost and availability.

Same with insulin, it took a while for everyone to figure it out.

Since most folks seem to be lamenting the classic physiques of the 70's - early 90's, you'd need to go back to a classic drug stack which for the most part was standard AAS, not much more, not much less.



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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 02:07:05 PM »
Cocaine is a hell of a drug, eventually derails everything.
my wife saw me watching that interview and said… Isn't his name Mike? Wasn't he in jail? we both lifted at Venice back in the heyday.

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 03:39:18 PM »
Sure, but it was still tightly controlled, and the cost in 1982 for cadaver Crescormin was $10,000 a year in 1982 (around $29,000 a year in 2017 dollars) for a relatively light course of it by bodybuilding standards. Genetech didn't develop a synthetic till 85 with Protropin, which in ran $15,000 - 20,000 (about $36,000 on the low end adjusted for inflation) for a similar light dosage course. So that slowed its use considerably. Indeed, Duchaine, himself, lamented on the old Misc.Fitness.Weights that the first heavy usage of GH that he saw was Lyle Alzado back in the late 80's because he had the money and connections to cover it.

It just didn't lend itself to the levels of abuse we see today because of cost and availability.

Same with insulin, it took a while for everyone to figure it out.

Since most folks seem to be lamenting the classic physiques of the 70's - early 90's, you'd need to go back to a classic drug stack which for the most part was standard AAS, not much more, not much less.




Good and informative post. As there was hardly any money in pro BB the GH use must have been very, very limited in the eighties

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 03:41:39 PM »
my wife saw me watching that interview and said… Isn't his name Mike? Wasn't he in jail? we both lifted at Venice back in the heyday.

You and had to have met at some point. I was at Golds Venice for the better part of the mid-80's

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Re: Where and when did the train derail?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2017, 05:38:13 PM »
You and had to have met at some point. I was at Golds Venice for the better part of the mid-80's
me too. I kept to myself. Was actually quite big and strong if I have to say do but didn't mingle or schmooze. Still do the same today. U can see who i am in some old show us your teenage years pix thread.

Those were some awesome years at gold coach.  For some reason I thought of Mohammad Benaziza the other day. I think Dorian mentioned him in the Rogan interview. I remember lifting next to him in the middle room when the cable machine was right in the middle of the room. He was ripped to shreds. He left a few days later to compete overseas and died.