Lui also has a very respectable physique for a lifetime natural. Would Phil look better natural? Easily given his genetics but I doubt he would hold more muscle than him. Phil is looking worse every year, difference is no-one wants to be a freak show as much anymore, too expensive, too stupid, too uncomfortable, doesn't look good etc. and Instagram rules all right now so you can follow guys like that Sergio Constance for example who looks much more achievable (yes he's on a lot of shit year round too but still) and bodybuilding is a stupid freak show.