Orville was the 2nd person (well, 3rd if you count dan duchaine) to honestly talk/mention "high" actual doses used by "pros" (or any of the freaks most would consider "pros").
I think was the 01? Olympia expo (maybe 2000 or 02? I get'em mixed up) Orville deadpan-straight face mentioning "5 test and 2 primobolan a week"... Assuming grams, not amps each week, since this was 2-3yrs after hearing "4 grams test and 2 grams deca" per week offseasson doses . a d 5yrs or more after duchaine saying " things start to happen" at 4 grams a week..... And nearlyn10yrs before Nasser had openly talked about using 5 grams of test a week, year round.