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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2018, 02:35:04 AM »
Antifa are aggressive and authoritarian but that's where most similarities end.

Fascism believes strongly in national identity, heritage, hierarchy and traditional societal values.
The Marxists (Antifa) wish to destroy all these concepts since they view them as oppressive inventions.

Compare their beliefs regarding gender for instance; Fascists promote the traditional male and female positions within society. Marxists reject these positions and want them dismantled. This is why they often invent new terms such as "gender fluidity". It is simply an attack on traditional norms.

I would suggest you research historical events such as the French and Russian revolutions or the Spanish civil war. They provide a good lesson in understanding the "left vs right" political sides and how it still impacts our world.

Except that originally Mussolini and the prime fascists started as extreme-left wingers. Mussolini was a anarcho-syndicalist. And both Fascism and Marxism have roots in the French Revolution- the concept of Nationalism was mostly created by the Jacobins (the French National Anthem still has that verse about "the impure blood that has to be shed"). If anything, Fascism was a dialectical reaction to Marxism, which was first and foremost a philosophy of History that believed that Reason was embodied in the historical development of Capitalism (simply turning around Hegel's philosophy in fact). Fascism substituted Nation to History.

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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2018, 04:45:22 AM »
Mussolini made the trains run on time.

This was his great accomplishment.

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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2018, 10:11:03 AM »
Mussolini made the trains run on time.

This was his great accomplishment.

His mistake was joining Hitler, before that he did a lot of good for Italy and tried to modernize the country, making education compulsory and moving the country away from basically still being a feudal state.

The Italian Fascists repeatedly told the Germans they were not ready for war, and would need at least another 5 years to modernize their military. They had also spent massive amounts in the Ethiopian War and the Spanish Civil War and were facing heavy sanctions. The Germans said they had no plans for a European war. Then they invaded Poland.

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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2018, 10:15:38 AM »
Except that originally Mussolini and the prime fascists started as extreme-left wingers. Mussolini was a anarcho-syndicalist. And both Fascism and Marxism have roots in the French Revolution- the concept of Nationalism was mostly created by the Jacobins (the French National Anthem still has that verse about "the impure blood that has to be shed"). If anything, Fascism was a dialectical reaction to Marxism, which was first and foremost a philosophy of History that believed that Reason was embodied in the historical development of Capitalism (simply turning around Hegel's philosophy in fact). Fascism substituted Nation to History.

The Italian Social Republic (1943-1945) went back to those roots, even though they were a puppet state under German control.

There were plans that businesses with over a 100 employees were to be nationalized and syndicates representing various occupations would deal and negotiate with the state on behalf of workers.

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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2018, 10:34:54 AM »
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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2018, 11:45:00 PM »

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Re: "That's what you get for being a Fascist!"
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2018, 06:56:36 AM »
I have not 'really' been in the States except for a few tourist visits.
Many years ago I remember a fellow Canadian staying in the USA (some major city) and saying that at night through his hotel window he'd see people walking out at night 'looking for trouble'...
This stayed in my mind and now the media frenzy is feeding that thought...people looking for trouble...

To my fellow Americans my question is, is it really He-brewing in the major cities like it's been portrayed in the recent years?

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