Exercise doesn't help lose more weight!

[Primemuscle]

thats more like the power of positive thinking... if I say it enough...

Well then, I think you should say it more and then report back on how that's worked out for you.

[Ted SuperSet]

My theory is that most construction workers hate their job (can't blame them for this), so they comfort themselves with shitty calorie dense foods & booze

plausible theory.

plus you cant out labour a pour diet??

[Ted SuperSet]

Lmao. I've never witnessed a  fat fuck that is working hard labor all day consistently. They are almost always slower and less productive then the others provided everything else is the same.

And most guys on a construction site are the worst eaters around. Almost none eat breakfast, most eat garbage processed slop and drink, smoke or get fucked up on some drug or drugs. Honestly, some of the unhealthiest guys on the planet work constriction sites.

why do they do this? they must feel like Sh!t all the time.

[Zillotch]

the impression that I get observing construction sites while I drive by is... most construction workers stand around all day thinking up new ways to do as little actual work as possible. they may even be well rested after a day on the 'job'.

[Thin Lizzy]

Lmao. I've never witnessed a  fat fuck that is working hard labor all day consistently. They are almost always slower and less productive then the others provided everything else is the same.

And most guys on a construction site are the worst eaters around. Almost none eat breakfast, most eat garbage processed slop and drink, smoke or get fucked up on some drug or drugs. Honestly, some of the unhealthiest guys on the planet work constriction sites.

Usually the older guys who are fat. When you get some seniority you get the easier gigs that don’t involve hard physical labor. The young guys are usually in shape.

[Ted SuperSet]

I agree with you on both counts. This is why I am so amazed at how easy it's been so far. No detox symptoms and no urge to drink. Each day I wonder if this will be the day these things kick in and they don't. I'll admit that I've intentionally started projects at around 5:00 p.m. in the event I need a distraction. Oregon liquor stores close at 8:00 p.m. This means my window of failure is pretty short. I prefer to say I drank a lot. Twelve days of success. I'll build on this as a positive sign.

Although I've not had a problem with drinking socially, I'm avoiding this for the time being.

I wish you all the good luck.good to see you have a gameplan.
why did the alcohol consumption become a lot more 10 years ago? stress perhaps?

[chrisbro]

I think this is overall accurate. Cardio alone will have negligible impact on weight loss. The average person can't work off  a buffet dinner. Diet is most of weight loss. Having said that, I think the exercise does contribute to a small extent, weight loss, but the health benefits of  resistance and cardio training is well worth it even if not a single ounce of weight is lost doing it.

no..no… it´s About regular Training, day in day out. This is where People fail. if your Body is  alway active you will lose weight & eat well.

[Primemuscle]

I wish you all the good luck.good to see you have a gameplan.
why did the alcohol consumption become a lot more 10 years ago? stress perhaps?

Thanks for the encouragement and positive thoughts.

Ten years ago was about the time my wife's chronic health issues started becoming critical. Stress seems like as good an excuse as any. After she passed, loneliness and depression became excuses. No more excuses, just actions.

Monday will be three weeks clean. I've made it to the gym every other day as I get my body accustomed to working out again, then it may be everyday, probably by fall. This August is very busy with family visiting and social activities. Presently, I'm just sore enough to know my workouts are working.
 

[K1RB]

Anyone interested in this subject should read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes.
A lot of the book is boring, talking about the history of the farmer and food industry  lobby and how it shaped the American diet...
But there are two or three chapters where he speaks about obesity, the feedback loop that presence of insulin enhances, and the actual biology of how our bodies convert and store fat-
Basically states that all fat is "energy", and by not having excess insulin present, the body uses fat as primary (and preferred) energy source.
When a person loses weight/fat(excess energy), it is the body simply correcting itself to what we were initially designed to be.

[Vince B]

When a person loses weight/fat(excess energy), it is the body simply correcting itself to what we were initially designed to be.

Some design!

[Ted SuperSet]

Thanks for the encouragement and positive thoughts.

Ten years ago was about the time my wife's chronic health issues started becoming critical. Stress seems like as good an excuse as any. After she passed, loneliness and depression became excuses. No more excuses, just actions.

Monday will be three weeks clean. I've made it to the gym every other day as I get my body accustomed to working out again, then it may be everyday, probably by fall. This August is very busy with family visiting and social activities. Presently, I'm just sore enough to know my workouts are working.
 

Keep going strong brother!

[Primemuscle]

Some design!

You don't believe some people are fat by design?

[DroppingPlates]

You don't believe some people are fat by design?

Basile only believes in the design of his bicep supinator machine

[plebian]

You obviously didn't read the research.

I have, many times and I am of two minds.

The research does not suggest what most people immediately assume from the headlines... which is that exercise "doesnt work" for losing weight, rather what they suggest is that exercise harms total weight loss in most people because exercise increases hunger and most people use exercise as an excuse for a "reward" eating session, where they frequently consume more calories than the actual exercise session burned off. It should be pointed out that they've almost deliberately selected for people who FAIL at losing weight from the get go.

So onto two minds:
1. this isn't surprising to anyone who has seen those people who are chronic walkers/joggers/gym goers and yet still see to be chubby year after year.

on the other hand

2. This is one of those things where clever-silly research conflicts with real life heuristics and empirical learning from people actually manipulating their bodies successfully, in the sense that I don't know of anyone who has truly gotten into really impressive shape without doing SOME form of intense physical exercise on a regular basis. Dr Darden was convinced the "skinny fat problem" was a result of people attempting to diet down without doing resistance training, and thus losing as much muscle as they did fat. I know myself from being a fighter that I've done and seen others do ridiuclous transformations as a result of being forced to do ridiculously intense exercise on a regular basis. Ricky "hitman" hatton used to get super fat and bloated between fights, and everyone would start gnashing teeth about how he'd come in fat and wouldnt make weight... every single time that man came in phenomenal physical shape despite just 8-12 weeks earlier often sporting a gut and a chubby face. Try telling one of these milquetoast guys that you can from fat to shredded in 8 weeks and they will simply refuse to believe it.

conventional weight loss advice is a good way to keep people fat for the rest of their lives. Its funny how the people who do things the "wrong" way seem to get the "right" results. I.e people who actually starve themselves and train fucking hard seem to end up ripped while the people who sit their planning out a moderate diet and going for a walk a few times a week seem to be perpetually fucking fat.

[Al Doggity]

2. This is one of those things where clever-silly research conflicts with real life heuristics and empirical learning from people actually manipulating their bodies successfully, in the sense that I don't know of anyone who has truly gotten into really impressive shape without doing SOME form of intense physical exercise on a regular basis.

This is true, but as you acknowledged, getting into impressive shape is not the same thing as losing weight. In some cases- for some people- it actually means gaining weight. You've never seen anyone get into really impressive shape ONLY by doing intense physical exercise, either. Their diets always reflect what they look like. The paper actually addresses the fact that workouts that burn enough calories to result in weight loss are possible, but those aren't the types of daily workouts most people are doing. I don't think the findings of the paper are that provocative. People are just so used to conflating fitness with weight loss that it seems like what they are hearing is that exercise is useless.

[Hypertrophy]

I came across an article via the UBC Alumni Library that allows us to access scientific journals.

The findings contradicts what bodybuilders, gym owners and PE teachers believed about weight loss.

Comparisons were made between active and inactive similar groups and found the energy used to be about equal.

In other words being active or doing exercise doesn't make you use more calories! That really is a surprise and needs to be explained.

Here is a link to The Exercise Paradox.




https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/why_physical_activity_does_little_to_control_weight

Thanks for the article Vince. I am in total agreement by the way. Seen it through personal experience.

[Agnostic007]

Anyone interested in this subject should read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes.
A lot of the book is boring, talking about the history of the farmer and food industry  lobby and how it shaped the American diet...
But there are two or three chapters where he speaks about obesity, the feedback loop that presence of insulin enhances, and the actual biology of how our bodies convert and store fat-
Basically states that all fat is "energy", and by not having excess insulin present, the body uses fat as primary (and preferred) energy source.
When a person loses weight/fat(excess energy), it is the body simply correcting itself to what we were initially designed to be.

I can't recall which Gary Taubes book this is from but basically, he is a research scientist that exposes the flawed testing that gave us many of our most sacred beliefs in nutrition. Definitely  eye opening 

[Ted SuperSet]

Thanks for the article Vince. I am in total agreement by the way. Seen it through personal experience.

Hi Vince!

[Hypertrophy]

Hi Vince!

lol! That’s a first for me- being called someone else on this forum. I’ve become an official Getbigger, haha

[plebian]

My theory is that most construction workers hate their job (can't blame them for this), so they comfort themselves with shitty calorie dense foods & booze

yep i worked in construction when i was a teen

pretty much every labor job, even the laid back ones in the trades, involves copious alcohol consumption and regular feedings of high calorie high fat foodstuffs such as pies and fries, or regular trips to mcdonalds.