Who is still a believer in the anabolic window?

[ilalin]

it does exist in a specific way.
try this:

3.5 days of 1.5g/lb bw/d protein, 100g c/d and 100g f/d with complete and utter depletion of all glycogen using several well planned high rep low weight workouts.
then try reloading at 7g/lb of muscle with starchy complex carbs for a day and a half, keep sugar and fat low and p at 1.5g/lb bw still.
everything that you body absorbs at this point of time goes straight into the muscle cells.
I used the protocol coupled with mid workout just before re-feed and a heavy one one night after. Ran it for 6 weeks, results, amazing...no drugs. Hell to follow through though...

[Tennisballz]

Do you try to get a certain amount of protein in your post-workout meal? Do you have a daily protein target?

I don't really aim for a certain amount of protein in a post workout meal, but I usually have something like a bean or chicken burrito.  As for a daily total, I usually aim for around 120 grams I'd say.  I tried high protein diets when I was younger and I just ended up with gas and bloat.

[Al Doggity]

its the result of obsessively cutting calories, not stuffing your face with food for fucks sake. Nobody got lean by having the perfect macro plan and meal timing while still consuming 2000 calories more than they burn in a day, nobody, not a single human ever. Physically impossible.

Which is completely irrelevant to the topic. The topic title contains the phrase "anabolic" ie putting on muscle, not cutting. Outside of a very few hyperspecific circumstances, people don't put on muscle while drastically cutting calories.

[MCWAY]

I'm willing to accept it's complete bullshit, but I still get some carbs in pre-workout and some protein in immediately afterwards.  

It's just a fancy name for being hungrier than normal after working out.

Even in my first year of training, I would stuff my face with food after training. And, I noticed I could eat considerably more on days I trained than when I ate at the same time on days when I didn't train.

Eating after heavy training just make common sense. I usually down a shake about 30 minutes after hitting the weights, while driving home. Within the next hour after that, I have dinner.

Is consuming protein and some simple carbs, post-workout a good thing? Absolutely!

Do you need cross-filtered, ion-exchanged hydrolyzed, smack-it-up-flip-it-rub-it-down whey protein, within 10 seconds of racking the weight on your final set? Not really!

Any type of protein shake (even soy), along with some Gatorade and a little creatine and glutamine, works for me.

[Irongrip400]

It's just a fancy name for being hungrier than normal after working out.

Even in my first year of training, I would stuff my face with food after training. And, I noticed I could eat considerably more on days I trained than when I ate at the same time on days when I didn't train.

Eating after heaving training just make common sense. I usually down a shake about 30 minutes after hitting the weights, while driving home. Within the next hour after that, I have dinner.

Is consuming protein and some simple carbs, post-workout a good thing? Absolutely!

Do you need cross-filtered, ion-exchanged hydrolyzed, smack-it-up-flip-it-rub-it-down whey protein, within 10 seconds of racking the weight on your final set? Not really!

Any type of protein shake (even soy), along with some Gatorade and a little creatine and glutamine, works for me.

Outed

[kreator]

It’s funny when skinny guys with little muscle walk into the gym carrying a duffle bag full of useless garbage powders. They start mixing that shit right after their pathetic excuse for a workout. Couple of days ago this kid was putting something in his shaker and some of that shit ended up in the air and irritaded my nose. Felt like somebody emptied a bear maze in the dressing room lol

[ratherbebig]

i just cant stand the shaking.

the shaking of the bottle.

just stop.

[Rusty Trombone]

I remember that there is some benefit to getting some quick carbs and protein in right after lifting weights.

Somewhat fuller muscle but the benefit is negligible,if any.

It has no point for juicers,as they are in pretty much constant anabolism.

[Al Doggity]

It's just a fancy name for being hungrier than normal after working out.

Even in my first year of training, I would stuff my face with food after training. And, I noticed I could eat considerably more on days I trained than when I ate at the same time on days when I didn't train.

Eating after heaving training just make common sense. I usually down a shake about 30 minutes after hitting the weights, while driving home. Within the next hour after that, I have dinner.

Is consuming protein and some simple carbs, post-workout a good thing? Absolutely!

Do you need cross-filtered, ion-exchanged hydrolyzed, smack-it-up-flip-it-rub-it-down whey protein, within 10 seconds of racking the weight on your final set? Not really!

Any type of protein shake (even soy), along with some Gatorade and a little creatine and glutamine, works for me.

Not exactly. Being hungrier after working out is one thing. Trying to take advantage of a real or imagined "anabolic window"  is a completely different thing.  In my gym, most of the regulars pound some form of protein after their workout before leaving the gym. In the locker room, people are making shakes, passing around protein cookies, eating protein bars or taking out meals, etc. And it's not because they've built up such an appetite that they can't wait 10 or 20 minutes or however long it would take them to get to wherever they're going and have a meal. And it's also not because a protein shake or a few protein cookies will actually curb their appetite.

[MCWAY]

Not exactly. Being hungrier after working out is one thing. Trying to take advantage of a real or imagined "anabolic window"  is a completely different thing.  In my gym, most of the regulars pound some form of protein after their workout before leaving the gym. In the locker room, people are making shakes, passing around protein cookies, eating protein bars or taking out meals, etc. And it's not because they've built up such an appetite that they can't wait 10 or 20 minutes or however long it would take them to get to wherever they're going and have a meal. And it's also not because a protein shake or a few protein cookies will actually curb their appetite.

What's the point of waiting? If you're hungry and ready to down some calories after training, why not gulp down a quick shake? I have an RTD (Premier Protein, which I can get really cheap) about 20-30 minutes after guzzling some Gatorade and creatine (add an ALC-ALA pill and you effectively have CELL-TECH) once I'm done with the weights.

It just makes sense to me. But, I agree that having to down the most purified whey protein on the planet, mere seconds after racking the weight of your last set, borders on the absurd. We have author Greg Zulak and MuscleTech to thank for that.

The anabolic window, over the years, has gone from 45-60 minutes after training to almost yesterday upon racking.

[Go 4 It]

The funny thing is protein is the last thing that needs to be addressed post workout. Efferding makes some great points which he hits on in his diet, he makes sure to get pure orange juice (not from concentrate) for the fructose (helps with liver glycogen) and vitamin C, along with some dextrose to replenish glycogen stores and aid in the recovery process. About an hour later eat your meal, which he recommends steak and rice or bison and rice, with bone broth.

[Coach is Back!]

Some (most) of you should try some actual research

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235381974/download

[Van_Bilderass]

The funny thing is protein is the last thing that needs to be addressed post workout..

That is complete bullshit. Protein is always most critical for recovery and growth. I'm too lazy to go into it in depth but muscle glycogen replenishment is not very important for a bodybuilder. Besides, glycogen hardly even takes a hit from weight lifting.

And the vitamin C most likely will hurt. Research says high dose antioxidants around training kills the adaptive process - you actually want free radicals.

[Al Doggity]

What's the point of waiting? If you're hungry and ready to down some calories after training, why not gulp down a quick shake? I have an RTD (Premier Protein, which I can get really cheap) about 20-30 minutes after guzzling some Gatorade and creatine (add an ALC-ALA pill and you effectively have CELL-TECH) once I'm done with the weights.

Why wait to eat until leaving  a gym locker room ??! I don't think anyone in the history of the world has ever said "I'm starving. A protein shake would really hit the spot."[/sarcasm] Of course, some people might, but most don't generally drink protein shakes because they consider them delicious snacks. It's usually to get in some protein quickly without stuffing themselves.  Which is fine, I'm not bashing that. That's what I do. But that's generally a low-level adherence to the anabolic window principle.

[IRON CROSS]

im thinking something like this

eating before training (solid meal)
eating just before training (liquid meal)
eating during training (liquid meal)
pausing while training to have a meal (solid meal)
nap
continue training
eating right after training (liquid meal)
eating coming home from training (solid meal)
nap

 

[pellius]

Why wait to eat until leaving  a gym locker room ??! I don't think anyone in the history of the world has ever said "I'm starving. A protein shake would really hit the spot."[/sarcasm] Of course, some people might, but most don't generally drink protein shakes because they consider them delicious snacks. It's usually to get in some protein quickly without stuffing themselves.  Which is fine, I'm not bashing that. That's what I do. But that's generally a low-level adherence to the anabolic window principle.

Because I do whole body workouts I feel pretty drained after a workout. So I do go into the locker room and drink a protein shake of 25 grams whey and those vege "super food" mixes before I go back on the floor to stretch for another 45 minutes. It's usually been about 5-5.5 hours since I've last eaten and I do feel you are in a "catabolic state" after training and that your body is more conducive to absorbing nutrients. But, more importantly, it does make me feel better and gives me a bit of a boost getting something in quickly that is easier digested (I use a hydrolysate whey and some bcaas) before heading back on the floor all the while thinking about the Big Mac or Qp that awaits me.