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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2019, 02:15:27 PM »
I don’t get this argument about drug prices and insurance companies over charging. If this were a true market economy would this not create an opportunity for other companies to come in an undercut them? The problem is that it’s an overly intervened market that restricts competition.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2019, 02:24:44 PM »
Stress.
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2019, 02:30:03 PM »
I don’t get this argument about drug prices and insurance companies over charging. If this were a true market economy would this not create an opportunity for other companies to come in an undercut them? The problem is that it’s an overly intervened market that restricts competition.

No, drugs have patents on them (for a number of years) and, during the period of the patent, no other company can make that drug (for example, it now costs $80,000 or more to get the drug that cures Hepatitis C in two months). After the patent expires, your argument holds. But, even then, foreign governments will squeeze the generic companies down whereas our government Medicare pays what the companies ask (we don’t want to be “socialistic”) and our insurance companies don’t have the same clout as governments do in regard to private patients.  It is because of these factors that US consumers are subsidizing world wide health care. We are paying the $80,000 for Hepatitis C (before other nations’ patients do, thus contributing to the R&D process) and we are paying much more for the generics once the patents expire.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2019, 06:15:06 PM »
Here is my two cents, lots of various factors:
Profits and over complicated administrative procedures of insurance companies
Fancy hospital construction, all the hospital systems competing with each other for affluent suburban patients
Litigation, we are lawsuit crazy
Obesity and poor eating and no exercise, we go everywhere in our cars
Poverty and associated poor health outcomes and habits in those communities
More procedure response to EVERYTHING, we want to live forever and our doctors go along with it (also because of lawsuit factor above) and television advertising plays a role
Drug prices, we subsidize the whole world. We and our insurers pay top dollars for drugs, while all the other governments around the world force the drug companies to accept lower prices
Addiction, we have a worse problem than others
Our doctors make more money than other doctors around the world, mainly specialists

But keep in mind that most of the world’s advances in medical care come out of the US. So a final factor, more altruistic, is that our consumers and insurers are subsidizing world wide R&D big time.

Spot on 8)

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2019, 06:37:28 PM »
Exactly, why would anyone want to eat seaweed???

I'd rather have 50-60 years of enjoying what i eat over 100+ years of seaweed lol

You might not live to 50 or 60 either.....

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2019, 06:49:17 PM »
You might not live to 50 or 60 either.....

Actually, some seaweed salads they serve are pretty good.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2019, 07:28:30 PM »
its gone down by 1 year why is this noteworthy

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2019, 08:41:25 PM »
its gone down by 1 year why is this noteworthy

Exactly. And life expectancy uses infant mortality in the equation.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2019, 08:59:18 PM »
The 2011 Fukushima accident will put the kibosh on that.  Many people will develop horrible cancers.  You'll never hear about it on MSM.


Nope, seaweed like kelp/iodine helps & they consume a lot of it  ............

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2019, 09:05:48 PM »
WW2 Nazi colony on Schwaben land in Antarctica is outgunning everyone ,  ;) ;D

Little bit too cold , but ........fish food mostly  :)

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2019, 09:08:15 PM »
Exactly. And life expectancy uses infant mortality in the equation.

Which brings up another interesting variable, a lot of those countries give about 1/3 of the vaccines USA does





https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

33 doses by age 1 for USA, 11 for Japan

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2019, 03:39:57 AM »
Exactly.  The U.S. has increased the number of vaccines over the last few decades that do not need to be given.  We have an immune system for a reason.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2019, 06:13:53 AM »

Nope, seaweed like kelp/iodine helps & they consume a lot of it  ............

Nope... the seaweed and kelp are now contaminated with huge amounts of radioactive nucleotides: plutonium, cesium, strontium, uranium, iodine and other goodies.  Don't eat seafood, especially tuna.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2019, 10:42:14 AM »
Nope... the seaweed and kelp are now contaminated with huge amounts of radioactive nucleotides: plutonium, cesium, strontium, uranium, iodine and other goodies.  Don't eat seafood, especially tuna.

Some of my favorite fish are the most toxic ones. I still eat lots of fish but I vary them and pay attention to
the information that is available on them, although that information can be sketchy and not so reliable. The best are the smaller, oily fish but you need to reduce the amount of those when you are cutting and reducing fat intake. Then it becomes tougher with evaluating the whiter type fish.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2019, 12:21:13 PM »
Nope... the seaweed and kelp are now contaminated with huge amounts of radioactive nucleotides: plutonium, cesium, strontium, uranium, iodine and other goodies.  Don't eat seafood, especially tuna.


Sea Jungles of kelp kelp around Tasmania , visit Australia 1st, then talk.
Many countries import kelp from Australia , including Japan  ;)


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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2019, 12:42:44 PM »
Believe me: north and south are two different animals. In the north life, work, hospitals, schools are quite similar to the German model.


Juve,Juve,Juve ............... ;D


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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2019, 01:28:34 PM »

Juve,Juve,Juve ............... ;D



Good one IRON  :)
Honestly I was thinking no one in US could know about this children's sport. People are crazy about it here unfortunately.

And neglect the art of the soiled thong  ;D
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2019, 02:15:03 PM »
Good one IRON  :)
Honestly I was thinking no one in US could know about this children's sport. People are crazy about it here unfortunately.

And neglect the art of the soiled thong  ;D


Australia  ;) , I was in Thailand in the last July at the World Cup time & was football maddens too ...................

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2019, 04:43:02 PM »
Nope... the seaweed and kelp are now contaminated with huge amounts of radioactive nucleotides: plutonium, cesium, strontium, uranium, iodine and other goodies.  Don't eat seafood, especially tuna.

 :D


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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2019, 12:33:30 PM »

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2019, 12:41:47 PM »
Good one IRON  :)
Honestly I was thinking no one in US could know about this children's sport. People are crazy about it here unfortunately.

And neglect the art of the soiled thong  ;D

Yes, hardly ever a muscle Magazine on those outdoor newsstands in Italy. But I did see some big boys over there.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2019, 01:00:20 PM »
Yes, hardly ever a muscle Magazine on those outdoor newsstands in Italy. But I did see some big boys over there.

Italy has a big passion for everything that is mentzeresque. I would say a good 70% of guys in the gym are doing heavy duty.
Never understood the exact reason.

Oh by the way... Back in my days as a teen you could only find one bb magazine and it was usually put in the porn section. I kid u not  ;D
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2019, 02:57:45 PM »
Italy has a big passion for everything that is mentzeresque. I would say a good 70% of guys in the gym are doing heavy duty.
Never understood the exact reason.

Oh by the way... Back in my days as a teen you could only find one bb magazine and it was usually put in the porn section. I kid u not  ;D


Italian VIGOR !.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2019, 03:02:04 PM »
Yes, hardly ever a muscle Magazine on those outdoor newsstands in Italy. But I did see some big boys over there.


That was me in Bologna at Trofeo due Torri  8)

Fantastically design (metal) trophies at Trofeo  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2019, 11:13:21 PM »

That was me in Bologna at Trofeo due Torri  8)

Fantastically design (metal) trophies at Trofeo  ;)

That's the most important bb competition here! When you took part? Did you place well?
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