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Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« on: April 06, 2019, 11:08:17 AM »
Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9 (2018)

BS film, but interesting.  Michael Moore bashes everyone, including Obama and both Clintons.  I think the only one who got no bashing is Bernie.  Best part is I didn't pay to watch it.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2019, 12:17:13 PM »
Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9 (2018)

BS film, but interesting.  Michael Moore bashes everyone, including Obama and both Clintons.  I think the only one who got no bashing is Bernie.  Best part is I didn't pay to watch it.

I tried to watch it to have a balance against Dinesh's Obama's America and Hillary's America, but I fell asleep half way through.  I'll watch it at some point b4 Amazon takes it off of Prime for free, but I will say that the way those films are made and presented by the each filmmaker is very reflective of how those on the left and those on the right approach things.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 12:28:21 PM »
At first, it was seriously damaging for Bush.

Then I watched this and changed my mind A LITTLE

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 12:33:25 PM »
he has to say outlandish things to sell films and fill rooms. that his character.  same with her blue collar look...

funny cuz he is the ultimate capitalist

i did like his documentary from the 1980s "Roger and Me" god the state of Michigan is a sad place -



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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2019, 12:46:51 PM »
At first, it was seriously damaging for Bush.

Then I watched this and changed my mind A LITTLE


Can't find on Prime...is this the same doc you're referencing?


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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2019, 12:53:01 PM »
yup
I have some other videos you may wanna check out.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2019, 02:03:11 PM »
yup
I have some other videos you may wanna check out.

Gonna have to pass on that those others Prudence.  Prime just came out of the closet on the politics board though, so you might wanna make him the offer......assuming he hasn't seen this post from you, and pm'd you requesting more info already.

How many stars outta five would you rate this Farenhype movie, and how many for Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11?

Have you watched either of Dinesh's movies I mentioned?

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2019, 03:03:53 PM »
The only stuff I've seen by Dinesh has been on Youtube.
Some of it interesting and true. Can't lie.
Out of 5 stars for that Farenhype  docu, I'd have to give it a 3.5.
Without that mainstream movie alot of people (myself included) trusted Moore's word and investigative skills. Really thought he was uncovering some stuff.

Turns out Moore did more than just embellish that 'truth', he flat out lied. More than a little bit too.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2019, 05:37:11 PM »
Gonna have to pass on that those others Prudence.  Prime just came out of the closet on the politics board though, so you might wanna make him the offer......assuming he hasn't seen this post from you, and pm'd you requesting more info already.

How many stars outta five would you rate this Farenhype movie, and how many for Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11?

Have you watched either of Dinesh's movies I mentioned?


Prudence should get Jacinda's most hated NZ film : Once were Warriors

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2019, 05:42:47 PM »
I just read a review ...not my cup of tea.
Random suggestion, but thanks.
The last movie I saw was Kramer-vs-Kramer.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2019, 06:22:45 PM »
I just read a review ...not my cup of tea.
Random suggestion, but thanks.
The last movie I saw was Kramer-vs-Kramer.


The best Kiwi film ever  ???, U a discriminating against Maori people of New Zealand  >:(

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2019, 06:41:42 PM »
he has to say outlandish things to sell films and fill rooms. that his character.  same with her blue collar look...

funny cuz he is the ultimate capitalist

i did like his documentary from the 1980s "Roger and Me" god the state of Michigan is a sad place -




He's a massive fraud, and dirt bag pile of shit too.  There's a documentary out there by a guy he went to high school with who attacked it from the angle that Moore is always bringing up poor ole Flint, MI while he lives on the outskirts in a gated community and on the lake in a mansion.  He owes MI a good amount of taxes, and he pays and treats people like shit that work for him....sometimes he never pays them at all.  He also avoids taxes by claiming he's a MI resident, and MI's by doing the same.  He lies to people that are in his film interviews about what he really is doing, and as the filmmaker points out with his film about healthcare (forget what's it called) to say he does selective editing is an understating what an understatement that is.

When the filmmaker tracks him down, he approaches him and says "hi it's _____from high school....remember me?"  They were very familiar with each other, and so Moore gets all happy eyed, and exclaims of course he does.  And then the filmmaker explains why he's filming, and starts asking questions.  Moore then looks very glum and angry, and gets into the car shutting the door and telling his driver to get going.....one would presume to the nearest fast food joint to eat his anger away.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 07:22:33 PM »
The only stuff I've seen by Dinesh has been on Youtube.
Some of it interesting and true. Can't lie.
Out of 5 stars for that Farenhype  docu, I'd have to give it a 3.5.
Without that mainstream movie alot of people (myself included) trusted Moore's word and investigative skills. Really thought he was uncovering some stuff.

Turns out Moore did more than just embellish that 'truth', he flat out lied. More than a little bit too.


Thanks for the reply, and the rating.  I think I might watch this tonight actually....or at least start on it.

As for Dinesh...both of his films are VERY good Prudence!  Whereas Moore yells, and tells you opinions AND like you said yourself; many lies.....,Dinesh just goes on his journey for truth to see what's real and what's not.  At the end of Obama's America he literally says (paraphrasing) "So there you have it.  Those are my predictions, and what I've learned.  Hopefully, you learned something from this and in the film I've told you how I reached my conclusions/theory/predictions.  Go out and research for yourself to decide on your own if I'm right or wrong"  

It's hard for me to say which film is better.  I honestly think they are the two best political documentaries I've ever seen done for mass consumption.  Clinton Cash is pretty good to, but to my knowledge it did not go to theaters.  Also, it's hard to say which film of his to watch first.  Obama's America was put out in 2012, and gives a great background of who he is and a theory of what he really is about.  He doesn't believe the birther thing, but he does believe..........well, I won't spoil it. ;)  Obama's half brother from Kenya is in it, and that segment is very interesting.  He makes some predictions about Obama, as he did before the movie when he wrote a book about him that landed him in jail.  All of them came true.  He talks about how he went to jail, and the hand Obama's administration played in it in the beginning of Hillary's America.

Hillary's America (subtitle: The History of the Democratic Party) is not really about Hillary at all hardly.  She's mentioned briefly in the beginning and then again towards the end for about 20 minutes.  It's really about the subtitle, it is very eye opening, and it will anger you regardless if you're on the left or right.  If you can rent it on DVD, get the one with bonus features.  There's an 1hr30min+ of interviews with the 3 main people who's talking points in their interviews he splices into the movie....in full and unedited.  One is with a black female black history professor.   The whole thing is fascinating, and again he ends it pretty much like Obama's America in saying "here's what I learned, here's where I learned it, now go out and decide for yourself"  If you read all of this and are interested in it, reply as such and I'll reply with a question that will likely peak your interest in it even more.

One thing most on here would be shocked to know about me is that I've never been a political person really.  I mean, I read and keep up on things, but if you read my posts I argue more about society, culture, and the direction of our nation than I do about actual politics a lot of times.  I have to look up a lot of the shit I post about actual politics and politicians.
If you were to go back to my posts before I started posting again, you'd see very little if any political talk at all....especially prior to mid 2015.  Trump, and those two movies changed that about me.  I will admit that even I thought the dems were the party of love, compassion, and humanity over policies and money.  After watching Hillary's America specifically, I realize how fucking wrong I was.  The dems are an evil racist bunch that have manipulated our nation for profit and power for many many decades.  They are the ultimate spinsters and corrupt frauds.  Watch it, research after it, and decide if I'm right or wrong as well is all I the more I can say.  I literally have about 20 pages of notes between the two movies of shit to look up....much of which I still haven't gotten to.

Quite frankly, I'm getting bored with talking about politics on here as I've read with my own eyes that no matter what Trump does he will never be given credit, and he would never earn people's votes.  That is a close minded pea brained attitude that belongs to a person that does not love our country at all IMO.  How could they when they don't even love themselves enough to be true to who they really are?  When a person's opinions are not their own, they are a waste of human flesh as far as I'm concerned.

So that's me posting rationally about what I've learned, and where I'm coming from when I post about political shit here.  I'm not a Trump is perfect person like you all on the left think.  I despise the Clintons so much that I was willing to overlook a lot of flaws to keep them from becoming more powerful.  It was a pretty easy choice for me.  Now with these nutballs on the "progressive" left, 2020 has become something I don't really even need to ponder as to how I'll vote.....so far.  Maybe that clears some things up, and opens some new conversations?

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2019, 07:22:28 AM »
"... Go out and research for yourself to decide on your own if I'm right or wrong"  
See there in lies a huge distinction between the two filmmakers. Dinesh isn't even mildly suggesting the viewer takes his word for it and follow. He's telling you to fact check his work and see if you don't come to the same conclusions.  Whereas Moore tries to cast a spell on viewers buy assuring us his info is valid--right from God's mouth.
 Like his  one source of information on the Saudi plane (s??) plane--planes--which ever--that were flying the Bin Laden family out of the USA when all other planes were grounded for days.
WTF?? That's some seriously scary shit to just drop on the American public.  Everybody was thinking the government was protecting Saudi nationals.
I lost all respect for him right then and there. His stance on gun control is a little wacky to me as well.

In November ( i think ) of 2002 I was at a small Village Voice (newspaper} ceremony for a gay reporter that was getting nominated for a Pulitizer for some research he did on AIDS.  Sitting at my table was Larry Kramer--the biggest, most powerful AIDS activist in the world. I've known him since I was 16! He's really a hot-head and mean as fuck when it came to big pharma not releasing medicine.
Anywho...he stood up and gave the room his speech. Mid way thru it was where he tore into Moore BIG TIME. He said something along the lines of:
"Michael Moore has been wandering around Greenwich Village with a film crew...he's making a documentary about Sept 11 I was told. I tried to get him involved in making a documentary with me about HIV medicine. 3 min into our conversation he asked me if I was fucking nuts trying to make money on a film like that and that there is NO AUDIENCE for that gay stuff. WHO THE FUCK DOES HE THINK HE IS?? HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT!!!   That went on for a few more min.
So yeah..fuck you Michael Moore.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2019, 11:03:24 AM »
See there in lies a huge distinction between the two filmmakers. Dinesh isn't even mildly suggesting the viewer takes his word for it and follow. He's telling you to fact check his work and see if you don't come to the same conclusions.  Whereas Moore tries to cast a spell on viewers buy assuring us his info is valid--right from God's mouth.
 Like his  one source of information on the Saudi plane (s??) plane--planes--which ever--that were flying the Bin Laden family out of the USA when all other planes were grounded for days.
WTF?? That's some seriously scary shit to just drop on the American public.  Everybody was thinking the government was protecting Saudi nationals.
I lost all respect for him right then and there. His stance on gun control is a little wacky to me as well.

In November ( i think ) of 2002 I was at a small Village Voice (newspaper} ceremony for a gay reporter that was getting nominated for a Pulitizer for some research he did on AIDS.  Sitting at my table was Larry Kramer--the biggest, most powerful AIDS activist in the world. I've known him since I was 16! He's really a hot-head and mean as fuck when it came to big pharma not releasing medicine.
Anywho...he stood up and gave the room his speech. Mid way thru it was where he tore into Moore BIG TIME. He said something along the lines of:
"Michael Moore has been wandering around Greenwich Village with a film crew...he's making a documentary about Sept 11 I was told. I tried to get him involved in making a documentary with me about HIV medicine. 3 min into our conversation he asked me if I was fucking nuts trying to make money on a film like that and that there is NO AUDIENCE for that gay stuff. WHO THE FUCK DOES HE THINK HE IS?? HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT!!!   That went on for a few more min.
So yeah..fuck you Michael Moore.

I'll have to watch Moore's movie again.  I watched Farenhype and fell asleep about 15 minutes in and woke up towards the end when they were talking about shaming the dead service men....saying they died for nothing, and the parents did not like that one bit....don't blame them.  I skipped back to where I fell asleep, and lasted another 15-20 minutes.  Damn sleeping pills.  Seriously though, it seems decent it just doesn't have any production value and it doesn't really hold your interest enough to stay awake when you're at the end of the night.

After seeing you took the time to read and reply, I thought about it and I think you should watch Hillary's America first, or if you're going to pick one that would be it.  It seems you're hell bent on voting democrat, and I think it might make you think twice.  All of the games they play with blacks and the way they take them for granted apply to gays, and they're hoping immigrants now.....especially Hispanics, as the black vote is becoming truly "woke".  The prison part will interest you....not for that reason, don't get out your lotion Prudence. LOL.  Seriously though, it talks about the scam of politics and the steps involved in a criminal scam.  You will see a huge correlation to what is going on with black voters, and why the dems are chasing hispanics now.

Curious to know if you watch Brandon Straka, and the guys on Slightly Offensive YT channel at all, and if so what you think of them?

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2019, 04:39:55 AM »
Used to have some respect for Michael Moore as I viewed him as an honest leftist who was true to his values, but his shilling for Hillary in 2016 along with him going along with the Russian collusion conspiracy has made him look bad and unhinged.
Political documentaries don't tend to be very good as the agenda being pushed is usually obvious. I don't remember seeing any I actually liked and thought was balanced. 

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 05:32:51 AM »
Never heard of  Brandon Straka..but Ill look into it and that Hilar doc too.
I might have some free time today, I'f it's on Netflix or Prime.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2019, 07:56:44 AM »
Sonebody needs to do a documentary on HIV meds being fully subsidized. Many a gay bodybuilder has HIV meds, pharm test and Oxandrin, and much more FREE because they couldn't wear a condom to fuck their partner(s). There are seniors traveling to fucking Mexico for heart and blood pressure meds they can't afford.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2019, 08:23:15 AM »
Sonebody needs to do a documentary on HIV meds being fully subsidized. Many a gay bodybuilder has HIV meds, pharm test and Oxandrin, and much more FREE because they couldn't wear a condom to fuck their partner(s). There are seniors traveling to fucking Mexico for heart and blood pressure meds they can't afford.

Totally agree, but I also agree about the part about Moore being a pile of shit and a fraud about being such a loving and compassionate supporter of gays when he says he won't do a film on AID's meds because there's no audience.  Every time he's doing a media tour promoting one of his movies, it's because "it's such a big deal and means a lot to me.  I had to get this "information" out to the public.  If it's a success or not doesn't really matter to me" ::)

AID's and cancer could both be cured in 5 years if cures somehow paid recurring revenues like drugs do.  It's all about money, not finding a cure.  Although having said that, I 100% believe that there is a cure for AID's or at least some type of drug that completely nullifies it.  There's been a good number of stories about people that have taken something, and it's no longer showing up in their blood tests.  They just happen to be either study patients, or filthy rich like Magic.  Although, if I'm being honest there is a small part of me that believes the "conspiracy theory" that Magic never really had AID's or HIV. :-\

Point of all that typical myt rant is that a film about all of this would probably be the most successful documentary ever.  To say there is no audience or that only gays would care to watch it is laughable.

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2019, 08:27:00 AM »
i wouldn't trust fat fucks like him

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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2019, 08:42:44 AM »
Never heard of  Brandon Straka..but Ill look into it and that Hilar doc too.
I might have some free time today, I'f it's on Netflix or Prime.


I watched all of Farenhype last night, and it was pretty decent.  When I mentioned watching Moore's other movie, and falling asleep I was confusing F 9/11 with F 11/9.  It was 11/9 about Trump that I tried to watch and fell asleep to to try to get an opposing view to Dinesh's Hillary's America.  I don't think I've ever seen Fahrenheit 9/11, but I've watched a few things about WTC so I could be wrong.  Some of the stuff they talked about in Farenhype seemed familiar to me, so maybe I did watch it.  I'll tell you the part towards the end with the guy that has artificial arms talking about being used by Moore was pretty upsetting, and very revealing of Moore's character.  It was also very revealing of the character of that brave former soldier.  How he brushes it off, and has moved on and seemingly forgiven him is pretty amazing.  I would be learning how to snipe with those artificial limbs to track that fat fuck down if I was that young man.  God bless him and his family.

Anyway, I hope you do watch it.  It' on Prime, but last time I checked it was not free.  I think it was only $3.99 though.  Also, the downside to watching streaming vs. DVD is that you won't get to see the 1hr30mns of unedited interviews.  The black lady's in particular is pretty epic.  I had never heard of Ida B. Wells before, and I asked a couple black guys I know if they've ever heard of her.  They both said no, but they knew who Rosa Parks was.  Rosa Parks didn't do shit, and she was a replacement for another woman who at the last minute was found to be pregnant.  The event was planned.  Ida B. Wells on the other hand.....(there's a pun there that you'll get if you look her up), is a true legend in black history......,but she doesn't fit the narrative because she was a Republican.

Here's a couple clips of Straka.  He's the founder of the #walkaway movement.  I've watched this one.  The little well-educated old black lady who actually marched when she was 13 can school everyone on black history and the dems.......which leads me to believe Dinesh is 100% telling the truth.  She's at about 9:50 mark


I haven't watched this one, but saw it and thought I'd include it just for you Prudence. 8)




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Re: Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2019, 12:23:54 PM »
Sonebody needs to do a documentary on HIV meds being fully subsidized. Many a gay bodybuilder has HIV meds, pharm test and Oxandrin, and much more FREE because they couldn't wear a condom to fuck their partner(s). There are seniors traveling to fucking Mexico for heart and blood pressure meds they can't afford.

There absolutely is no defense for this. It's totally not fair. I just Googled and found this:
 # of Americans that dies of AIDS in 2917 --15,807 deaths

 # of Americans that died of cancer in 2017--600,920 deaths

It's horrible that special treatment has been given to those with AIDS.  Mind you--cumulatively  over the years, many many more people have died of cancer.

For so many years in NYC, our fucking GAY MAYOR ED KOTCH did nothing to help stop the spread. When the gays united and the media got involved the government had to do something.
I would imagine the same would have to happen in the cancer community.
It's shameful.