Author Topic: Georges St-Pierre and Jean Francois Caron. (Read 1978 times)

Matt · « **on:** May 30, 2019, 02:23:05 AM »

I asked a friend of mine who bets on UFC fights how a fight between these guys would go down. At first he said it would last 20 seconds, ending with GSP hitting JFC with two well-planted punches to the face. He later said GSP may require 90 seconds to win.

I then talked to the top heavyweight wrestler in my city. He would be very credible.

He said JFC's sized would give GSP some trouble. I think he meant...well...Bisping outweighed St-Pierre by around 20-lb, and we all saw how hard it was for Georges to keep Bisping down. So taking down a 6'4" and 330-lb fellow French Canadian could be difficult.

Well...KEEPING him down, I mean.

But is it safe to say this fight ends after 90 seconds?

Comments on this? Darren?

I know that trained manlet fighters would beat giant alpha male strongmen...but would the strongmen be able to inflict any damage at all?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUwsZdPjNGe

ratherbebig · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:41:30 AM »

i only know of gsp.

would be easier to debate if you throw in names that we actually know of

Matt · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2019, 12:16:34 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 05:41:30 AM

i only know of gsp.

would be easier to debate if you throw in names that we actually know of

GSP vs. Brian Shaw.

Who wins?

Note: I put GSP on the A-side.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2019, 12:35:41 PM »

small guy vs big guy thing?

i think ufc settled this long time ago

Matt · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2019, 01:23:25 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 12:35:41 PM

small guy vs big guy thing?

i think ufc settled this long time ago

Can a big and strong guy do anything to a small and trained guy at GSP's level?

Powerlift66 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2019, 01:29:51 PM »

I could see GSP mounted Caron's leg and dry humping him, then being snapped in half like a twig also. Anythings possible...

ratherbebig · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2019, 01:33:51 PM »

Quote from: Matt on May 30, 2019, 01:23:25 PM

Can a big and strong guy do anything to a small and trained guy at GSP's level?

i dont know, gsp is also very strong from what i heard for his weightclass and he's up to 200 pounds off-season

Matt · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:29:56 PM »

I love these hypothetical situations.

JF Caron is actually more dominant in his respective sport, as he has been #5 in the world, whereas GSP is ultimately a weight class champion.

It's sad seeing JF with only a few hundred followers on Instagram...and taking more risks to his health to be at that level...sad.

They are different athletes. I would love to fight GSP and be punched silly within seconds. Then compete in a balanced strongman contest with GSP in the 175-lb division and beat him in every event.

Apples and oranges. But then...if the point of being strong is self-defense, we should all learn to fight.

I think a massive strongman, with minimal takedown defense, could at least keep a fight with a manlet fighter standing for a bit.

Titus Pullo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:37:17 PM »

Matt, you seem obsessed with these scenarios.

I fear for your mental health

P.S. -- Props for not interjecting yourself into the discussion

ratherbebig · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:42:05 PM »

i think gsp would beat you in strong man as well

Henda · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:44:11 PM »

Years ago a fight took place locally between a bloke who for a long time had been widely regarded as the toughest in the area and a younger man who was a ‘cage fighter’ who many considered to be the new top man and a bit of a bully/out to make a name for himself, the fight lasted long enough for a punch to be landed on the mma guys jaw breaking it and rendering him unconscious on the floor and helped into an ambulance by his gang of followers.

I know this doesent really help your question as the MMA guy wasn’t one of the top fighters in the world like gsp and jf May or may not have the extensive fighting experience that the bloke who knocked him out does, I do believe 9 times out of them the MMA guy would win but it doesent make them the be all and end all and there are freaks of nature out there that will fuck them up big style despite not being trained in any art

Matt · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2019, 03:08:04 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 02:42:05 PM

i think gsp would beat you in strong man as well

LOL! Hahahahaha.

Oh wait, you were being serious.

Uhh...NO. I'd beat beat Georges in ANY strongman event.

I'm probably #18 in Canada in my weight class. No, GSP would not beat me in a strength contest.

However, he would beat ME in his sport at a much great disparity than I would beat him in my sport.

I'm not comparing myself to him.

I get that it's apples and oranges. As is this thread.

I'm just curious...does no amount of strength and size make a difference here? Can a massive strongman do nothing in this case?

The Weasel broke down the Conor McGregor and Hafthor Bjornsson video, and he suggested that Thor was exhausted. That must have been humbling for Thor.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2019, 03:18:33 PM »

yes he would beat you.

i dont think you understand what a specimen george st pierre is.

he's like 1 in a million.

Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2019, 04:44:47 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 03:18:33 PM

yes he would beat you.

i dont think you understand what a specimen george st pierre is.

he's like 1 in a million.

Oh. If he trained for it. Maybe.

His bench is in the vicinity of 250-lb, and he said on Joe Rogan [I believe the 2013 podcast] that he struggled with it because of genetics.

He would have an advantage in the deadlift for the same reason I have an advantage in the bench press - levers. A long reach hurts bench and helps deadlift.

But we mostly do side-handle deadlift in strongman - at least in Ontario.

Georges is a specimen...do I believe he has better genetics for physical strength than me? Not really, no. I think his intelligence is why he does so well in fighting. As he said in his Takedown DVD, it's more like a chess match at that level.

I think if we both trained for strength from a young age, I would still do better than him at strongman.

It's like...just because an athlete is at a high level doesn't mean they would excel at other sports.

Mariusz Pudzianowski did not do great at fighting despite being a former 5x World's Strongest Man. Wayne Gretzky was not a great golfer.

A person can be great at math, but not great at English, or vice versa.

I agree Georges is a freak. I don't see him as being more advantaged at raw strength than many other lifters.

I know I'd beat him in presses. I could him beating my deadlift by about as much as I would beat him in bench press. Squats would likely be even. I squat 385-lb for a double, ATG.

Keep in mind, I'm talking about a hypothetical 175-lb matchup here. I could get stronger, but I fear for my health.

GSP fears for his health to a greater degree than I do. But he's less of a health pussy than I am, so...they would factor in.

I guess what I'm saying is...I just don't see Georges as being particularly advantaged in strongman. And I'm not so sure if I see him exceeding me giving his significant pressing disadvantage over me.

I think GSP succeeded in the UFC because he started combining arts better than anyone else at a time where specialists were fighting. He was merging arts before it was a thing in the UFC. He also had a "Jay Cutler advantage"; he made $12 million in 2013 while 4th place Rory MacDonald made $400,000. Much like in the IFBB, the UFC was top heavy as far as payouts went.

This gave Georges the chance to just train while the #11 guy in his class likely had to work part-time to make ends meet.

Lastly - Georges has a high IQ. Not a high "fight IQ" - just a high IQ. He fought with intelligence.

I don't think that Georges being a specimen was strictly related to his physicality.

In any case, I meant Georges at his strongest versus me at my strongest - I win.

If you're saying that Georges, if he trained for strength, would best me...well... possibly. I still a 76" reach is a double-edged sword for strongman; good for deadlifts, but bad for presses.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:04:25 PM »

I'd have to look at their buttholes first in order to make an accurate prediction for this ground rolling manfest.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:29:16 PM »

do you sound like gsp when you speak, matt?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #16 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:47:13 PM »

Whats really funny is that none of these MMA people look like they can fight at all. At least do something instead of roll around like a retarded child on a bed.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #17 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:53:12 PM »

most mma fight dont go to the ground

The True Adonis · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2019, 06:08:22 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 05:53:12 PM

most mma fight dont go to the ground

Why don't they ever do karate kicks and flips? At least make it fun to watch.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #19 on:** May 30, 2019, 06:10:00 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 30, 2019, 06:08:22 PM

Why don't they ever do karate kicks and flips? At least make it fun to watch.

maybe theyre too muscle bound

The True Adonis · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2019, 06:15:44 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 06:10:00 PM

maybe theyre too muscle bound

I think its more that they are just bums off the street. Anyone these days can be an MMA fighter since there is no clear standard. At least Karate and Kung Fu had unique styles. This MMA stuff is like watching old men fight at a bus stop with men feet exposed.

Its stupid.

Matt · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2019, 07:10:37 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on May 30, 2019, 05:29:16 PM

do you sound like gsp when you speak, matt?

No, but only because he's French.

I used to feel as TA did about MMA. A UFC was on, and I thought it was a gay porn, with the guys rolling around.

Later, I realized it looks simple precisely because it's so technical and tactical.

A bit after that, I was watching what I thought was a UFC title fight, but realized that it was a gay porn only after the second cumshot.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2019, 07:14:31 PM »

Quote from: Matt on May 30, 2019, 07:10:37 PM

No, but only because he's French.

I used to feel as TA did about MMA. A UFC was on, and I thought it was a gay porn, with the guys rolling around.

Later, I realized it looks simple precisely because it's so technical and tactical.

A bit after that, I was watching what I thought was a UFC title fight, but realized that it was a gay porn only after the second cumshot.

No difference really. One man dominates another, looking to end his exhilaration in a climax. The UFC should allow or include penetration somehow. Perhaps they have to start the fight mounted on each other with the Champ or the one with the better record getting to choose to be a top or bottom. Then after that, they do the rolling around.

I bet it would get even better ratings and give the audience what they REALLY want.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2019, 07:28:46 PM »

Power and endurance are more important than strength in fighting. Seen guys that can bench the world but have little power hitting the heavy bag like a 12 year old girl would. The second attribute endurance is how big your gas tank is. You can have all the horse power in the world but if you run out of gas you have no horse power. I bet Mayweather couldn't bench 225lbs but he has serious speed that equals power. How many guys can squat a Buick but can't jump or sprint because they have only strength and no power? Power lifting should be called strength lifting and Olympic lifting should be called power lifting. Having said all this strength is an important attribute in fighting but other athletic attributes out weigh it.