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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2019, 04:50:11 AM »
It common in war to dehumanize the enemy.  Makes killing them easier.  The line gets blurred sometimes by the participants.

Countries survive by taking needed resources that they don't have at home by taking them from other parts of the world.

If not by paying for them, then by force.  Your high standard of living is the result.  Do you want to keep it?

An obvious example is Japan importing metals from the USA prior to WW2, taking Indonesian oil by force, etc.

Nazi Germany has no petroleum of its own and hoped to control Middle East oil by force but failed.

The USA buys oil from the Middle East and protects this source using its military.  It used force to protect sugar companies (Spanish-American War) in 1895.

England's pearl was India which it took by force.

The Soviets have done the same.


Although there is some truth to what you wrote, the wars the US have been involved in have been more about sending geopolitical messages than anything else. It’s never been about taking anything from anybody. What the politicians in other countries fail to understand is that contracts in the American system are sacred: if you sign a contract with us, you better damn sure you stick to the agreement, regardless of whether you can produce payment, supply enough products or a new (socialist) new president is now in power.

You better stick to your word OR ELSE.

This is what many around the world can’t understand about the American system. It’s not colonial because we’re not taking it by force.

Iran is another example. They’ve been fucking around the area for many years now (Lebanon, Iraq, etc) and we’ve been telling them to quit it. We even went as far as signing a nuclear deal, sending them a clear message that if they come to the negotiating table sanctions will be lifted off and more trading will be carried out. Iran, acting in complete defiance, turns around and keeps acting in the very same manner as in pre-deal times. Not only that, they are now threatening world oil transports. The ass-whooping is almost assured.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2019, 06:38:26 AM »


Iran is another example. They’ve been fucking around the area for many years now (Lebanon, Iraq, etc) and we’ve been telling them to quit it. We even went as far as signing a nuclear deal, sending them a clear message that if they come to the negotiating table sanctions will be lifted off and more trading will be carried out. Iran, acting in complete defiance, turns around and keeps acting in the very same manner as in pre-deal times. Not only that, they are now threatening world oil transports. The ass-whooping is almost assured.
Watch it. You might be called the ultrahip names of "Neocon" or "War monger".

It's the cool thing to do nowadays...

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2019, 07:19:22 AM »
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2019, 07:20:23 AM »
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2019, 07:32:48 AM »
??? ???

Why would he be happy about that?

They were neither blackies or mussies.
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2019, 08:10:12 AM »

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2019, 08:21:50 AM »
This isn't an American thing , It's a human thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide


Very Much So.
And it is a Constant reminder to how little we’ve changed in that regard in thousands of years
Also how fragile society/ civilisation is - All these Pussy Snowflakes & loud mouthed whores
Would do well to keep that in mind - As if The Shit hits the fan all their Shouting Protesting
PC Nonsense Human Rights Would Be Right Out The Window - Suddenly they wouldnt Be
So Empowered & Just Fodder for the Marauding Men.
Harsh Facts But True.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2019, 09:39:44 AM »
This happened 50 years ago.

Next, let's go back to something that happened during the Civil War.  Maybe Andersonville treatment of prisoners.

Or how about Alexander The Great killing every living thing in a city that defied him while sowing salt in the ground.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2019, 09:47:41 AM »
This happened 50 years ago.

Next, let's go back to something that happened during the Civil War.  Maybe Andersonville treatment of prisoners.

Or how about Alexander The Great killing every living thing in a city that defied him while sowing salt in the ground.

I want to know how many died during the Roman Empires or the Egyptian Pharaohs heyday.
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2019, 09:54:15 AM »
I want to know how many died during the Roman Empires or the Egyptian Pharaohs heyday.

It's called "total war".

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https://www.thoughtco.com/total-war-definition-examples-4178116

"Total war is mainly characterized by the lack of distinction between fighting lawful combatants and civilians. The purpose is to destroy the other contender’s resources so that they are unable to continue to wage war. This might include targeting major infrastructure and blocking access to water, internet, or imports (often through blockades). Additionally, in total war, there is no limit on the type of weapons used and biological, chemical, nuclear, and other weapons of mass destruction may be unleashed.

While state-sponsored imperialist wars tend to have the greatest numbers of casualties, it is not the number of casualties alone that defines a total war. Smaller conflicts across the globe, such as tribal wars, incorporate aspects of total war by kidnapping, enslaving, and killing civilians. This deliberate targeting of civilians elevates less expansive wars to the level of total war.

A nation waging total war may also impact its own citizens through a mandatory draft, rationing, propaganda, or other efforts deemed necessary to support the war on the home front."

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2019, 10:44:44 AM »
This happened 50 years ago.

Next, let's go back to something that happened during the Civil War.  Maybe Andersonville treatment of prisoners.

Or how about Alexander The Great killing every living thing in a city that defied him while sowing salt in the ground.

It was the picture that stuck out for me, I wasnt singling out American troops, Im well aware every country has done similar.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2019, 01:50:50 PM »
It's called "thong battle".

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https://www.thongco.com/its-only-gay-if-you-want-it-to-be-4178116

"Thong battle is mainly characterized by the lack of distinction between competing in a bbing contest and doing gay4pay. The purpose is to destroy the other contender’s anus so that they are unable to sit on judges laps. This might include targeting prostate and blocking access to his own chocolate box (often through glittery thong). Additionally, in thong battle, there is no limit on the type of sex toys used and Weider trophies, Tbombz' bunny suit, Vince Basile's supinator machine, and other weapons of Hindemburg Melao Jr. may be unleashed.

While Weider-sponsored schmoe sessions tend to have the greatest numbers of pro BBers, it is not the number of BBers alone that defines a thong battle. Smaller gay4pay businesses across the globe, such as JimmyZ striping sessions, incorporate aspects of thong battle by touching, licking, and hugging synthol monsters. This deliberate targeting of closet homos elevates less expansive nights at Mirage hotel, room 7 (next to the ice machine), to the level of thong battle.

A bodybuilding forum waging thong battle may also impact its own members through numerous threads comparing Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates or other efforts deemed necessary to support the battle on the homepage."

Interesting.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2019, 02:01:39 PM »
Watch it. You might be called the ultrahip names of "Neocon" or "War monger".

It's the cool thing to do nowadays...

I prefer jew.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2019, 03:31:34 PM »
This story is a nightmare.

And the woman buttoning her blouse (with the child) bothers me something fierce. The shock, trauma and destroyed spirit of a female just sexually assaulted is absolutely captured in that photo.

If I was prone to crying, I would viewing this picture.

“The evil that men do ...”

 :-[

I agree with you, and while I can't begin to excuse what happened there, the soldiers who committed those atrocities:

*never should have been there in the first place.  The Domino Theory was moronic and, apart from making certain arms deal...err, military goods suppliers very, very rich (Grumman et al.), the war accomplished nothing for the West -- just loads of good, dead kids on both sides.

*were probably so fucked in the head from fighting the VC, who were so truly cruel and barbaric as to make any American crime seem almost tame in comparison, that they really were effectively brainwashed and so paranoid as to see a VC in ALL Vietnamese.  Frankly, I cannot blame them on that count; if you've ever seen "Apocalypse Now," you'd know even the most innocent-looking young schoolteacher can bomb men and equipment before anyone could blink.  (Aye, it's a movie, but that sort of thing happened.)

*I ... eh.  I'm fresh out.  It shouldn't have happened.  But it was war, and far more had happens in time of war than not.  Inter arma enim silent leges.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2019, 03:53:41 PM »

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2019, 09:10:52 AM »
Damn never saw this pic.Seconds after this picture was taken they were all murdered by us troops, the woman on the right buttoning her blouse had just been raped.500 villagers murdered, gang raped, mutilated  :'(



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
I will says things like that did happen it was more small groups of men who did this shit remember you get what you get when you draft people just don't forget the cruel shit they did to our captured troops sadistic fucks
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2019, 09:48:31 AM »
I agree with you, and while I can't begin to excuse what happened there, the soldiers who committed those atrocities:

*never should have been there in the first place.  The Domino Theory was moronic and, apart from making certain arms deal...err, military goods suppliers very, very rich (Grumman et al.), the war accomplished nothing for the West -- just loads of good, dead kids on both sides.

*were probably so fucked in the head from fighting the VC, who were so truly cruel and barbaric as to make any American crime seem almost tame in comparison, that they really were effectively brainwashed and so paranoid as to see a VC in ALL Vietnamese.  Frankly, I cannot blame them on that count; if you've ever seen "Apocalypse Now," you'd know even the most innocent-looking young schoolteacher can bomb men and equipment before anyone could blink.  (Aye, it's a movie, but that sort of thing happened.)

*I ... eh.  I'm fresh out.  It shouldn't have happened.  But it was war, and far more had happens in time of war than not.  Inter arma enim silent leges.

The US intentions were correct.

To protect South Vietnam from North Vietnamese Communist invasion.

It worked in Korea and they believed they could accomplish the same in Vietnam. Look at South Korea, a thriving capitalist country, South Vietnam could have been the same.

And no, the Domino theory was correct, Cambodia, Burma, Laos, and Vietnam were and most still are socialist states. The only exception was Thailand and they were fighting communist terrorists in the jungles, their country could have fallen to communists as well. Thailand is now thriving, and look at the shithole socialist and communist neighbours surrounding them.

Politicians threw the war away, if they let the military do their job, the North Vietnamese would have been crushed.

The Fall of Saigon was a horrific disaster, the people were sent to concentration camps, lost their property and lost everything.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2019, 04:26:31 PM »
Griffith,

Thank you for the very thoughtful and civil reply.

You make a lot of good points.  To clarify a bit, when I said the Domino Theory was flawed, I meant that Vietnam et al. going commie was no threat to the United States.  Some shithole neighbors turn red?  Psh.  Let them!

However, I:

A.  Am speaking from a highly American-centric place
B.  Have stupidly ignored/overlooked the impact of communism proliferating globally when the Soviets were willing to supply any "red" country with damned near anything they wanted short of nukes
C.  Realize war is more about than the megatons someone can toss about, particularly since no one really wants nukes.  Ergo, it turns into a resource war...food, raw material, etc.  In that respect alone, I can totally see how the Domino Theory took root.

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2019, 04:30:05 PM »
By the by, I just wanted to say, Grif is gotta be one of the coolest and most intelligent dudes here.  No homo ;(

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2019, 08:47:16 PM »
Griffith is a great guy.

Didn't like him in Berserk though, but on Getbig he's a fountain of wisdom.
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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2019, 09:17:22 PM »
" what do yall know about death?"


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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2019, 05:06:48 PM »


my all time favorite movie about Nam.......

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Re: My Lai Massacre by US soldiers in Vietnam
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2019, 05:55:43 PM »
I thought he’d be happy about the massacre.

He’s just another keyboard warrior.