Author Topic: Mike O'Hearn teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly  (Read 5409 times)

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2019, 10:27:46 AM »
Cutler is doing the Vince Gironda style "benching to the neck".

Reg Park said you train the area of the chest you want by lowering the bar to that area.  No need for incline decline bench.

If you want to hit upper chest, lower bar to upper pec, middle chest lower to middle, and lower chest to lower pec.

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2019, 10:40:22 AM »
Cutler is doing the Vince Gironda style "benching to the neck".

Reg Park said you train the area of the chest you want by lowering the bar to that area.  No need for incline decline bench.

If you want to hit upper chest, lower bar to upper pec, middle chest lower to middle, and lower chest to lower pec.

Do you think this works?

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2019, 11:36:13 AM »
Do you think this works?

I think lowering to the upper chest/neck does affect the claviculer pectoral more.

Not sure about the rest.

Flat bench strongly affects the main pec.

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2019, 12:03:39 PM »
I think lowering to the upper chest/neck does affect the claviculer pectoral more.

Not sure about the rest.

Flat bench strongly affects the main pec.


3 mins onwards

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2019, 04:38:53 AM »


3 mins onwards

Interesting video.  Brignole's assertions are however, too black and white.

Bench press Analysis:

Note:

Sternal head = main pec
Clavicular head = upper pec

https://exrx.net/Kinesiology/BenchPress

"Incline / Decline (press)

Trebbs (2010) found that the Bench Press on a flat bench activates the sternal head of the the Pectoralis Major more than Incline Bench Press. The sternal head tends to decrease in activity as the incline increases (Trebbs 2010). Glass (1997) reported that Barbell Decline Bench Press recruits a greater portion of the Pectoralis Major than does the Barbell Incline Bench Press. Barnett (1995) reported that flat Smith Bench Press activated the the sternal head of the Pectoralis Major more than the Smith Decline Bench Press.

Trebbs (2010) found that the clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major (upper chest) was most active at a 44º incline, over the 0º (flat bench), and incline bench presses of 28º, and 56º. In contrast, Barnett (1995) reported that the clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major was no more active during the Smith Incline Bench Press than the flat Smith Bench Press, however it was less active in the Smith Decline Bench Press. Glass (1997) reported no significant differences in clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major between Barbell Incline and Decline Bench Press. Interesting, Lauver also found no significant difference in the activation of clavicular head when comparing decline, flat and incline presses. However, when they divided the concentric phase into 4 parts, they observed particularly more clavicular activation during the 26-50% contraction duration in both 30º and 45º Incline Bench Press.

The Anterior Deltoid tended to increase in activity as the bench inclination increased (Glass 1997, Trebbs 2010). The long head of the Triceps Brachii was more active on the Smith Decline bench press than the flat Smith Bench Press or Smith Incline Bench Press, particularly with narrow hand spacing (Glass 1997).

Barnett (1995) reported very low levels of Latissimus Dorsi during various angles of the bench press (decline, flat, and incline) with a short burst of activity immediately prior to the initiation of the lift. Despite its relatively low activity, the Latissimus Dorsi exhibited significantly greater activation in the decline position compared to the flat position with both wide and narrow grips. (Barnett 1995)

As resistance training programs progress, additional supplemental exercises should be performed to fully train the target muscles. Performing the Incline Bench Press is important to provide a more complete nueromuscular activation and fully train the involved musculature. (Fleck & Kraemer 2014)"

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2019, 12:20:32 PM »
Interesting video.  Brignole's assertions are however, too black and white.

Bench press Analysis:

Note:

Sternal head = main pec
Clavicular head = upper pec

https://exrx.net/Kinesiology/BenchPress

"Incline / Decline (press)

Trebbs (2010) found that the Bench Press on a flat bench activates the sternal head of the the Pectoralis Major more than Incline Bench Press. The sternal head tends to decrease in activity as the incline increases (Trebbs 2010). Glass (1997) reported that Barbell Decline Bench Press recruits a greater portion of the Pectoralis Major than does the Barbell Incline Bench Press. Barnett (1995) reported that flat Smith Bench Press activated the the sternal head of the Pectoralis Major more than the Smith Decline Bench Press.

Trebbs (2010) found that the clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major (upper chest) was most active at a 44º incline, over the 0º (flat bench), and incline bench presses of 28º, and 56º. In contrast, Barnett (1995) reported that the clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major was no more active during the Smith Incline Bench Press than the flat Smith Bench Press, however it was less active in the Smith Decline Bench Press. Glass (1997) reported no significant differences in clavicular head of the Pectoralis Major between Barbell Incline and Decline Bench Press. Interesting, Lauver also found no significant difference in the activation of clavicular head when comparing decline, flat and incline presses. However, when they divided the concentric phase into 4 parts, they observed particularly more clavicular activation during the 26-50% contraction duration in both 30º and 45º Incline Bench Press.

The Anterior Deltoid tended to increase in activity as the bench inclination increased (Glass 1997, Trebbs 2010). The long head of the Triceps Brachii was more active on the Smith Decline bench press than the flat Smith Bench Press or Smith Incline Bench Press, particularly with narrow hand spacing (Glass 1997).

Barnett (1995) reported very low levels of Latissimus Dorsi during various angles of the bench press (decline, flat, and incline) with a short burst of activity immediately prior to the initiation of the lift. Despite its relatively low activity, the Latissimus Dorsi exhibited significantly greater activation in the decline position compared to the flat position with both wide and narrow grips. (Barnett 1995)

As resistance training programs progress, additional supplemental exercises should be performed to fully train the target muscles. Performing the Incline Bench Press is important to provide a more complete nueromuscular activation and fully train the involved musculature. (Fleck & Kraemer 2014)"

why are you trying to complicate things

I know from bench pressing what happens with my pecs, virtually fuck all, same with flys, I lower the weight down and out and then in the upward movement my pecs totally relax once I get past parrallel coming up, to the point it annoys me, I simply cant keep any tension on, I just do half repos in the lowered position under constant tension.

All I get from pressing is shoulder engagement

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2019, 12:30:30 PM »
why are you trying to complicate things

I know from bench pressing what happens with my pecs, virtually fuck all, same with flys, I lower the weight down and out and then in the upward movement my pecs totally relax once I get past parrallel coming up, to the point it annoys me, I simply cant keep any tension on, I just do half repos in the lowered position under constant tension.

All I get from pressing is shoulder engagement

Without seeing your benching style it's hard to comment on your lack of results.

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2019, 12:31:50 PM »
Without seeing your benching style it's hard to comment on your lack of results.

benching style?
Everyone does it the same, you lie on a bench and press the weight, I just get nothing out of it at all

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2019, 02:22:25 PM »
benching style?
Everyone does it the same, you lie on a bench and press the weight, I just get nothing out of it at all

Incredible.  I do not doubt you.

You are a very unique person.


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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2019, 03:24:43 PM »
Ol' Dick Drainin' been working them muscles again, has he?  ;D

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2019, 03:26:30 PM »
why are you trying to complicate things

I know from bench pressing what happens with my pecs, virtually fuck all, same with flys, I lower the weight down and out and then in the upward movement my pecs totally relax once I get past parrallel coming up, to the point it annoys me, I simply cant keep any tension on, I just do half repos in the lowered position under constant tension.

All I get from pressing is shoulder engagement


Either a lot stronger in the chest than shoulders genetically or a bio-mechanic issue?

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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2019, 04:22:40 PM »
Jay starts by saying he no longer benches then otren bullies him into benching. Then ot begins to analyze the angle of Jay's bench. ::)

Powerful stuff right there.


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Re: Mike O'tren teaching Jay Cutler and Larry Wheels how to lift properly
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2019, 05:24:34 PM »
O'tren always wants to do odd ball exercises that no one else does to make himself look stronger.

LMAO I actually started doing the same thing once I got old..