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A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« on: December 30, 2019, 04:29:03 PM »
No surprise here

This is what happens when we let a "FUCKING MORON" pretend to be POTUS

Oh well, I'm sure that Trump will just keep lying about this and Trumptards will just keep believing his lies

News Flash - the Trumptard tax cuts also did NOT work as promised (though they did produce the results that every non-Trumpard predicted)

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A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired

President Donald Trump has promised throughout his presidency to revive American manufacturing by slapping punishing tariffs on foreign competition.

But a new study from the US Federal Reserve suggests that his efforts have backfired — and that the manufacturing sector is worse off than it was before the president began his protectionist trade policy.

Economists Aaron Flaaen and Justin Pierce, who describe their study as “as the first comprehensive estimates of the effect of recent tariffs on the US manufacturing sector,” argue that the data shows that any benefits from protection from foreign competition have been more than canceled out by retaliatory tariffs from trading partners and an increase in the rise the need for US manufacturers to source components abroad.

As a result, US manufacturing has seen job losses and higher prices for consumers.

“We find the impact from the traditional import protection channel is completely offset in the short-run by reduced competitiveness from retaliation and higher costs in downstream industries,” the authors say.

The findings affirm predictions from trade economists across the political spectrum who have warned that Trump’s tariffs were more likely to damage the US economy than help it — particularly in a globalized economy, where any major departure from free trade norms comes with an array of costs.

The findings also directly contradict what Trump says the effects of the tariffs have been. Trump has argued that “the U.S. is taking in massive amounts of money” and has claimed “Billions of Dollars are pouring into the coffers of the U.S.A. because of the Tariffs.”


The study finds the tariffs he has imposed on things like steel, aluminum, and Chinese goods have not done this at all. Given Trump’s adversarial relationship with the Federal Reserve, though, it seems unlikely the president will be swayed by the work of his experts, meaning the study probably will not alter his calculus on trade policy.

The new Federal Reserve study compared how manufacturing industries benefited from tariffs (border taxes on imports) to how much of a hit they took from a rise in input cost (the cost US manufacturers pay for foreign-made components and materials) and retaliatory tariffs.

An example of a more expensive input cost for a US manufacturer would be a steel part for an American-made car sourced from China that has been made more expensive by tariffs on steel.

This dynamic cuts the other way as well: China is one of the many countries that have slapped tariffs on US products in retaliation for American tariffs on foreign products. That tit-for-tat process — which can escalate continuously — is the central dynamic of a trade war.

The new study found that the industries that were hardest hit and made less competitive by retaliatory tariffs include automakers and producers of iron and steel; aluminum sheet; leather goods; and magnetic and optical media.

The study also found that producers of aluminum sheets, steel products, transportation equipment, boilers, and household appliances were among those industries whose consumer prices went up the most after tariffs went into effect.

Higher consumer prices make products less competitive on the market. So if Trump’s aim with a tariff is to give US products an advantage, that aim is undermined by manufacturers having to raise prices because it costs more to make what they sell.

There’s also evidence that other sectors, like the agriculture industry, are suffering due to retaliatory tariffs from the US’s trading partners. Trading partners will often deliberately target US exports that they know are produced by politically powerful economic players in order to maximize domestic political pressure on the government. For instance, some US agricultural goods — particularly those made in states Trump will rely on in 2020 — have really taken a serious hit, as Vox’s Emily Stewart explained in an analysis of tariff blowback last year:

China, Mexico, and Canada have responded to the US’s measures with taxes on American soybeans, dairy, pork, apples, and potatoes, among other products. Prices for soybeans have dropped to a 10-year low, and soybean exporters rushed to get their product out of the country earlier this year ahead of the impending trade war.

Trump’s trade tactics, effectively, have necessitated a $12 billion farmer bailout.

The authors of the new study note that the long-term effects of the tariffs are not yet known. But, as of now, the evidence indicates that the tariffs have not served the manufacturing sector the way Trump has promised.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-new-government-study-shows-how-trumps-tariffs-have-backfired/ar-BBYrsA7?ocid=mailsignout

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2019, 05:08:07 PM »
No surprise here

This is what happens when we let a "FUCKING MORON" pretend to be POTUS

Oh well, I'm sure that Trump will just keep lying about this and Trumptards will just keep believing his lies

News Flash - the Trumptard tax cuts also did NOT work as promised (though they did produce the results that every non-Trumpard predicted)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-new-government-study-shows-how-trumps-tariffs-have-backfired/ar-BBYrsA7?ocid=mailsignout

Oh but you are wrong. The economy is doing great. "It's the best economy America's every had" (or something like that)  ::) Several Getbiggers will jump in soon to remind you of this. Just thought it would be fun to beat them to the punch.  ;D

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2019, 05:09:49 PM »
No surprise here

This is what happens when we let a "FUCKING MORON" pretend to be POTUS

Oh well, I'm sure that Trump will just keep lying about this and Trumptards will just keep believing his lies

News Flash - the Trumptard tax cuts also did NOT work as promised (though they did produce the results that every non-Trumpard predicted)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-new-government-study-shows-how-trumps-tariffs-have-backfired/ar-BBYrsA7?ocid=mailsignout


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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2019, 05:57:08 PM »
No surprise here

This is what happens when we let a "FUCKING MORON" pretend to be POTUS

Oh well, I'm sure that Trump will just keep lying about this and Trumptards will just keep believing his lies

News Flash - the Trumptard tax cuts also did NOT work as promised (though they did produce the results that every non-Trumpard predicted)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-new-government-study-shows-how-trumps-tariffs-have-backfired/ar-BBYrsA7?ocid=mailsignout

lol...sure it has. lol

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2019, 07:22:37 PM »
I’m not sure how to take things. All I see is my retirement growing and work staying strong. Numbers seem good with the economy.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2019, 09:26:33 PM »
I’m not sure how to take things. All I see is my retirement growing and work staying strong. Numbers seem good with the economy.

Hold that thought.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2019, 09:04:21 AM »
Hold that thought.

It can’t go on forever, I realize that.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2019, 10:24:58 AM »
You have to take a long-term view of this. I happen to agree tariffs as a permanent policy or not a good thing, as is the case with any government intervention, but if they’re used to renegotiate deals and then eventually removed they could have long-term benefits.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2019, 11:42:42 AM »
Reality has a strong liberal bias

Note to  Trumptards - this study was done by the Federal Reserve


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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2019, 11:46:43 AM »
Reality has a strong liberal bias

Note to  Trumptards - this study was done by the Federal Reserve



There isn't a liberal alive that lives in reality

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2019, 12:11:50 PM »
It can’t go on forever, I realize that.

Historically, what goes up also comes down. There are no guarantees...not even from Trump.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2019, 12:17:33 PM »
There isn't a liberal alive that lives in reality

Funny, some liberals feel the same way about conservatives. Well, as someone recently mentioned it is an alternate reality.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2019, 12:22:26 PM »
There isn't a liberal alive that lives in reality
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so you're saying you don't believe the Federal Reserve study

Do you think they are deliberately falsifying the data?

Walk us through the pretzel logic of the cult addled brain of a Trumptard

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2019, 12:33:44 PM »
From strawdick's article:

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As a result, US manufacturing has seen job losses and higher prices for consumers

From chaos' article:

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U.S. manufacturing is once again in the news. New data shows America’s factories adding 261,000 jobs from January 2018 to January 2019

In seriousness though, the actual study shows a leveling off in the growth rate recently, which they theorize MAY be due to the tariffs.

However, the tariff play is a long play, so short term pain is expected.

Something had to be done, but it will take time to tell if this is the right move.
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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2019, 12:40:30 PM »
From strawdick's article:

From chaos' article:


The article Chaos posted references what happened in 2018. These things vary from year to year.

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Re: A new government study shows how Trump's tariffs have backfired
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2019, 12:41:02 PM »
The article Chaos posted references what happened in 2018. These things vary from year to year.

Read the whole post.

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