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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2015, 09:13:19 PM »

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2015, 02:44:18 AM »
So, would class warfare be between someone who say, makes 300k+ a year, or something larger? Or, is it just über rich?

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2015, 06:38:24 AM »
So, would class warfare be between someone who say, makes 300k+ a year, or something larger? Or, is it just über rich?

The guy making 300K: who can he pick up the phone to call?

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2015, 08:51:13 AM »
Rupert Murdoch and those he talks business with. There's my definition. How's that for easy?

That's convoluted.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2015, 03:48:08 PM »
The guy making 300K: who can he pick up the phone to call?

I'm not sure I follow. If you're saying that he or she isn't rich and in a different class, ask someone making $20k a year.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2015, 04:09:15 PM »
I'm not sure I follow. If you're saying that he or she isn't rich and in a different class, ask someone making $20k a year.

How much influence does the gentleman making 300K have? That's what I'm asking you.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2015, 05:31:53 PM »
How much influence does the gentleman making 300K have? That's what I'm asking you.

Understood. But, I would say that makes little difference to the person in poverty. They'll see you in your nice house, and take it from you if shit hits the fan.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2015, 07:35:34 PM »
Understood. But, I would say that makes little difference to the person in poverty. They'll see you in your nice house, and take it from you if shit hits the fan.

Let me ask you this: How much influence over you and me, can the 300K man reasonably hope to have?

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2015, 07:36:25 PM »
What things could he do toward that?

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2015, 06:52:53 AM »
Let me ask you this: How much influence over you and me, can the 300K man reasonably hope to have?

Not much. But, I think if there was ever to be some uprising, that they wouldn't discern between what they perceived as comfortable living and über rich. I think to the dude making minimum wage because he dropped out of school, both groups have something he never will. Thus, the envy of anyone better than him starts.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2015, 12:04:22 PM »
Not much. But, I think if there was ever to be some uprising, that they wouldn't discern between what they perceived as comfortable living and über rich. I think to the dude making minimum wage because he dropped out of school, both groups have something he never will. Thus, the envy of anyone better than him starts.

So you'd see something called "Class Warfare" as being the result of an uprising, where people are physically taking stuff from one another. In that scenario, the poor are the aggressive ones against modestly wealthy and/or middle-class and/or people with nice possessions that are somehow vulnerable to being harmed/robbed.

Do you think there could be any other form of class warfare? Can you imagine some subtle, but very persistent form of warfare that might escape general notice (escape general notice that it is war-like, necessarily)? Anything at all?

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2015, 03:10:08 PM »
"Fair share."  How original.

Clinton vows to raise taxes, reform Wall Street in effort to recapture progressive base
Published July 13, 2015
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Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton on Monday took a giant step toward letting Democratic voters know she’s representing the progressive agenda, calling for tax increases and more regulation on Wall Street -- while making a play for a liberal base that has been gravitating toward Sen. Bernie Sanders.

“I know as much as anybody, the role Wall Street should play for main street,” said Clinton, who vowed, if elected, to “rein in excessive risks” and appoint regulators to “prosecute firms and individuals” who break the law.

Clinton also vowed to increase taxes on large corporations and the country’s highest wage-earners, an apparent effort to recapture her party’s progressive base now captivated by surging primary challenger Sanders and the reformer agenda of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who is not a 2016 candidate.

Clinton specifically vowed to revive efforts to institute the so-called Buffet Rule, which is essentially a 30 percent “millionaire tax.”

“Those at the top have to pay their share,” Clinton said during her roughly 35-minute speech at the New School, a New York City college and bastion for progressive ideals. “Wealthy financiers pay artificially low tax rates.”

Clinton also called for minimum-wage increases and urged companies to expand profit-sharing of corporate earnings with workers.

“Hard-working Americans deserve to benefit from the record corporate earnings they helped produce," she said. "That will be good for workers and good for business. Studies show profit-sharing that gives everyone a stake in a company's success can boost productivity and put money directly into employees' pockets."

The speech was greeted warmly on the left.

“Clinton's economic policy speech reflects a very clear understanding that the Democratic Party and the vast majority of the American people want a president who will fight alongside … Warren and refuse to kowtow to wealthy and powerful interests on Wall Street,” said Jim Dean, chairman of Democracy for America.

"Coupled with Senator Bernie Sanders' early 2016 surge, today's speech illustrates the dominate force the Elizabeth Warren wing is in the Democratic Party and the critical role it has already played in ensuring that income inequality sits at the very center of the 2016 presidential debate."

While top-tier Republican candidate and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has called for an annual growth rate of 4 percent, Clinton asserted that the nation's economy should not be “tethered” to a specific growth figure but rather by how much income increases for middle-class households.

Clinton called out Bush by name. And in her pitch to revive labor unions and their influence on increasing wages, she cited Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the latest GOP contender to enter the race, and suggested the entire Republican Party was trying to squash big labor.

“They made their name stomping workers’ rights,” Clinton said. “I will fight back against these mean-spirited attacks.”

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Allison Moore said in response that Clinton also should have explained how she plans to pay for all the spending.

"Whether she tells us or not, though, it’s pretty clear: she will have to raise taxes on American families," Moore said. "If she doesn’t raise taxes, then she will have to break her promises. That’s Clintonomics: tax hikes or broken promises."

Clinton also pointed to economic progress during her husband's two terms in the 1990s and more recently under President Obama.

In Clinton's approach to the economy, she says more Americans would share in the prosperity and avoid the boom-and-bust cycles of Wall Street that have led to economic turbulence of the past decade.

Clinton, who is seeking to become the nation's first female president, also addressed ways of making it easier for women to join the workforce -- including affordable child care and pay equal to their male counterparts.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/13/clinton-economic-address/

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2020, 12:27:33 AM »
Bernie Sanders is a communist. 

'I don't think it's productive': Sanders dodges question on 'wage cap' he once championed
by Tim Pearce
 | February 09, 2020
 
2020 Democratic presidential primary candidate Bernie Sanders refused to say whether he still backs capping the wages of the top earners in the United States.

The senator from Vermont appeared on CNN on Sunday to discuss his campaign for president with State of the Union host Jake Tapper, who questioned the self-identified democratic socialist about a wage cap policy he championed in the 1970s and remained interested in until at least the early 1990s.

"Early in your political career, way back in 1974, you said that it should be illegal to earn more money than someone could spend in his or her lifetime," Tapper said. "You proposed a maximum wage cap on the highest earners."

Sanders dismissed Tapper, asking if the host had also gone "back to my third-grade essay when I was in PS197 about what I said?"

"We can go back to things that I said in the '70s. I don’t think it's productive," Sanders said, later continuing, "This is what I do believe. When you have three people that own more wealth than the bottom half of America, when half of our people are living paycheck-to-paycheck, when 500,000 Americans are sleeping out in the streets, yes, the rich have got to pay."

He added, "We will raise taxes very substantially on billionaires. No apologies for that."

In 1974, Sanders was 32 years old and several years into trying to launch his political career. He ran for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976 and ran to represent Vermont in the U.S. Senate in 1972 and 1974. During his second Senate campaign, Sanders told the Burlington Free Press that "nobody should earn more than $1 million."

As a U.S. House representative in 1972, Sanders introduced a Los Angeles Times opinion piece titled, "How About a Maximum Wage?" into the congressional record. Decades later, he remained interested in a national wage cap, which would, in effect, hike the marginal tax rate to 100% for earners past a certain income threshold.

Sam Pizzigati, the opinion article’s author and an Institute for Policy Studies associate fellow, said he spoke with Sanders about the possibility of a maximum wage in the early 1990s.

"He thought that this was something that needed to be explored and considered," Pizzigati said. "He thought it needed to be part of the public discourse, and that’s why he put the information in the congressional record."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-dont-think-its-productive-sanders-dodges-question-on-wage-cap-he-once-championed

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2020, 02:04:11 PM »
The hit pieces keep on coming for Bernie. The DNC just uses him to keep the leftists in the party for the old bait and switch.

Like Bernie? You'll love a Bloomberg/Klobuchar ticket, right? Can't have them starting a competing ultra left party and killing the DNC.

I personally think the Antifa Party sounds great. Much better ring than the Democratic Socialist Party.

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2020, 04:43:07 AM »
Bernie Sanders is a communist. 

'I don't think it's productive': Sanders dodges question on 'wage cap' he once championed
by Tim Pearce
 | February 09, 2020
 
2020 Democratic presidential primary candidate Bernie Sanders refused to say whether he still backs capping the wages of the top earners in the United States.

The senator from Vermont appeared on CNN on Sunday to discuss his campaign for president with State of the Union host Jake Tapper, who questioned the self-identified democratic socialist about a wage cap policy he championed in the 1970s and remained interested in until at least the early 1990s.

"Early in your political career, way back in 1974, you said that it should be illegal to earn more money than someone could spend in his or her lifetime," Tapper said. "You proposed a maximum wage cap on the highest earners."

Sanders dismissed Tapper, asking if the host had also gone "back to my third-grade essay when I was in PS197 about what I said?"

"We can go back to things that I said in the '70s. I don’t think it's productive," Sanders said, later continuing, "This is what I do believe. When you have three people that own more wealth than the bottom half of America, when half of our people are living paycheck-to-paycheck, when 500,000 Americans are sleeping out in the streets, yes, the rich have got to pay."

He added, "We will raise taxes very substantially on billionaires. No apologies for that."

In 1974, Sanders was 32 years old and several years into trying to launch his political career. He ran for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976 and ran to represent Vermont in the U.S. Senate in 1972 and 1974. During his second Senate campaign, Sanders told the Burlington Free Press that "nobody should earn more than $1 million."

As a U.S. House representative in 1972, Sanders introduced a Los Angeles Times opinion piece titled, "How About a Maximum Wage?" into the congressional record. Decades later, he remained interested in a national wage cap, which would, in effect, hike the marginal tax rate to 100% for earners past a certain income threshold.

Sam Pizzigati, the opinion article’s author and an Institute for Policy Studies associate fellow, said he spoke with Sanders about the possibility of a maximum wage in the early 1990s.

"He thought that this was something that needed to be explored and considered," Pizzigati said. "He thought it needed to be part of the public discourse, and that’s why he put the information in the congressional record."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-dont-think-its-productive-sanders-dodges-question-on-wage-cap-he-once-championed
How could anyone think a maximum wage law would be positive for our country and not just stop production?  No one is going to keep working just to pay taxes.