Unemployment question

[mazrim]

How are people refusing to go back to their jobs and instead collecting unemployment since it pays more for many right now? I thought that you had to go back or you would lose those benefits. I have heard that even with the loans that businesses are/were getting that employees weren't going back for that reason.

[mazrim]

Board being odd today. Showed that my first one didn't post and so reposted and now there are two and can't delete my other one. Keeps giving an error message.

[robcguns]

They can prob get away with refusing to go back to work out of fear of getting virus.

For me every time I post it says error message since yesterday.

[TheGrinch]

well... benefits will eventually run out

[Princess L]

Board being odd today. Showed that my first one didn't post and so reposted and now there are two and can't delete my other one. Keeps giving an error message.

We will be upgrading over the upcoming weekend, due to various security, attacks and conspiracy theories.   The Boards will be down since it needs to be moved to a new version which requires a day or so (millions of posts and pics, etc).    I think Friday late night or Saturday morning until it finishes updating.

Just so you know...

Yes, there are certain messages right now as the upgrades have already begun... just warnings

Since one part was upgraded but another part was not, it gives warning messages, but still puts the post through - this should go away with the other upgrades.

[_bruce_]

Depends on the country you're residing in.

After unemployment money(6 months) there's something like "social funding". In case you're not eligible for that then there's a kind of "survival package" which can vary drastically according to your background. Relative to your average salary social funding by the government it often the better option given you have the luxury of having your housing sponsored too.

[IroNat]

"Fear of Wuhan" is a legitimate reason to go on the dole.

[LurkerNoMore]

How are people refusing to go back to their jobs and instead collecting unemployment since it pays more for many right now? I thought that you had to go back or you would lose those benefits. I have heard that even with the loans that businesses are/were getting that employees weren't going back for that reason.

This is what I know from being in S FL which is primarily a heavy service industry based economy...   they are not going back because they are making $875 a week sitting at home which is more than they would be making working under normal circumstances.  While restaurants are still open with curbside and delivery service, there is not enough of a demand for it to employ the workers full time.  So even if they wanted to come back to work, many would find that a small percentage would be offered working hours, and even then on a part time basis.

They can prob get away with refusing to go back to work out of fear of getting virus.

Yes, this is the out that many are using.  But then again, some are actually quite frightened of it.  I know that even when we are allowed to reopen, I am still going to be cautious and wear my mask.

well... benefits will eventually run out

July 31st.  Unless they provide an extension.  Which seems to be likely.

[mazrim]

This is what I know from being in S FL which is primarily a heavy service industry based economy...   they are not going back because they are making $875 a week sitting at home which is more than they would be making working under normal circumstances.  While restaurants are still open with curbside and delivery service, there is not enough of a demand for it to employ the workers full time.  So even if they wanted to come back to work, many would find that a small percentage would be offered working hours, and even then on a part time basis.

Yes, this is the out that many are using.  But then again, some are actually quite frightened of it.  I know that even when we are allowed to reopen, I am still going to be cautious and wear my mask.

July 31st.  Unless they provide an extension.  Which seems to be likely.

So that is really the only way they are getting around it with just that excuse?

[LurkerNoMore]

So that is really the only way they are getting around it with just that excuse?

Well that and the fact there is really no work for them at the moment.  A friend is the GM at a luxury hotel down in Hollywood, they employ hundreds in that one property alone.  Right now, there are 14 workers each week that alternate days and hours on a part time basis.  It is just for grounds keeping maintenance, pool upkeep, security.  My friend still has to be there 40 hours a week because they require a GM on property when others are working.

Now if a food service company offered it's employees a chance to come back and earn their normal salary of $5 per hour plus tips... do you think any worker would right now?  Because they know the crowds will be down.  So why not stay home and collect the $875 per week?  $275 UE + the $600 that the state gives them for extra.

They just say they are scared of the virus or that they have an elderly family member at home. 

[B_B_C]

Well that and the fact there is really no work for them at the moment.  A friend is the GM at a luxury hotel down in Hollywood, they employ hundreds in that one property alone.  Right now, there are 14 workers each week that alternate days and hours on a part time basis.  It is just for grounds keeping maintenance, pool upkeep, security.  My friend still has to be there 40 hours a week because they require a GM on property when others are working.

Now if a food service company offered it's employees a chance to come back and earn their normal salary of $5 per hour plus tips... do you think any worker would right now?  Because they know the crowds will be down.  So why not stay home and collect the $875 per week?  $275 UE + the $600 that the state gives them for extra.

They just say they are scared of the virus or that they have an elderly family member at home. 

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[mazrim]

Well that and the fact there is really no work for them at the moment.  A friend is the GM at a luxury hotel down in Hollywood, they employ hundreds in that one property alone.  Right now, there are 14 workers each week that alternate days and hours on a part time basis.  It is just for grounds keeping maintenance, pool upkeep, security.  My friend still has to be there 40 hours a week because they require a GM on property when others are working.

Now if a food service company offered it's employees a chance to come back and earn their normal salary of $5 per hour plus tips... do you think any worker would right now?  Because they know the crowds will be down.  So why not stay home and collect the $875 per week?  $275 UE + the $600 that the state gives them for extra.

They just say they are scared of the virus or that they have an elderly family member at home.  

Yes, my employer just called me today (almost right after I posted this) and I've/our department has been chronically underpaid as it is long before this (specific department went from 3 to 1, and whole department went from 12-8) so I asked about whether there would be an increase in pay as I still would be making more on unemployment. She said that the loan doesn't allow them to do that so wondering if she is trying to pull a fast one on me as I have not heard of that. Anyone know if that is the case?

Job honestly isn't worth it with the stress/overload so I would actually gladly take the unemployment and search for another/work on my potential self employment if I could since they are either lying or unwilling. Work in the legal field currently.

I am not willing to lie however and I personally don't feel much danger from Covid.

[B_B_C]

I am not willing to lie however and I personally don't feel much danger from Covid.

most people who wrestle with their conscience usually win

[SOMEPARTS]

Wait until people start filing for disability based on being afraid of viruses.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Depends on the country you're residing in.

After unemployment money(6 months) there's something like "social funding". In case you're not eligible for that then there's a kind of "survival package" which can vary drastically according to your background. Relative to your average salary social funding by the government it often the better option given you have the luxury of having your housing sponsored too.

But fake refugees , some with 4 darlings & 22 kids never ever work in Deutschland ..............

[Primemuscle]

How are people refusing to go back to their jobs and instead collecting unemployment since it pays more for many right now? I thought that you had to go back or you would lose those benefits. I have heard that even with the loans that businesses are/were getting that employees weren't going back for that reason.

There is an unemployment qualification which addresses number of hours. Someone on unemployment does not have to accept work if the number hours or days offered is significantly less than what they had before they were laid off. 

[LurkerNoMore]

Wait until people start filing for disability based on being afraid of viruses.

Don't worry.  When they see how much disability actually pays, they won't go through with it.

It don't pay shit unless you are within 10 years of retiring anyway.

[mazrim]

There is an unemployment qualification which addresses number of hours. Someone on unemployment does not have to accept work if the number hours or days offered is significantly less than what they had before they were laid off. 

Yes, I got that but the loan is not for that. The loan only works if you are paying them their normal wages, etc.