cycle dilema!!!!

[local hero]

Lookn for a bit advice on what to do with me self in the next yr..... im wanting to make a big jump in bodyweight,, competed at 225 at 6ft last yr and need to be a good 15 to 25 heavier to make the jump from novice to heavyweight... ive been clean for the past 10 month and im around 260 but with no condition....

so what would u experts such as gh15 advise me to do, as in if i were u etc etc...  i usualy go 8 to 10 weeks on,,, 6 to 8 weeks off, 1g of sus, enth etc etc.. lookn for a long term plan.. just wondering how some of you's would aproach this?

[Rimbaud]

What have your past cycles looked like?

[local hero]

well to be honest ive never cycled consistantly thru the yr,,,, just used here and there, best cycle outside my contest prep would look like

week1 to 3   1000mg sus, 30mg dbol
week4 to 5   1000mg enth, hcg spread thru week
week5 to 8   200mg prop eod

usualy it would just be 1000mg sus or enth for 8 weeks with dbol 1st 4 weeks

[Rimbaud]

Have you ever thought about adding some Deca or EQ into the mix & then running the cycle for another 8 weeks.

[4thAD]

well to be honest ive never cycled consistantly thru the yr,,,, just used here and there, best cycle outside my contest prep would look like

week1 to 3   1000mg sus, 30mg dbol
week4 to 5   1000mg enth, hcg spread thru week
week5 to 8   200mg prop eod

usualy it would just be 1000mg sus or enth for 8 weeks with dbol 1st 4 weeks

Seems like these cycles could be run a little longer even without adding compounds. I think Rim is correct here though.
Eight week cycles for bulking are too short IMO. They should be run 12 - 16 weeks maybe even 20 weeks depending on gains and how your body is feeling. Also start running the HCG from week 1(shut down begins at first pin) and run it up until 4 days prior to PCT. Run the HCG 500IU 2XEW.

[local hero]

so if i ran 16 to 20 week cycles, how long inbetween courses?

[Rimbaud]

so if i ran 16 to 20 week cycles, how long inbetween courses?

About the same ammount of time.

[Rimbaud]

I still stand by my other post. Throw 500mg of EQ into the mix every week for about 12-16 weeks.

[SWOLETRAIN]

the answer to your question is..
DECA+DBOL in addition to you gram of test and you will grow like a weed. that is bread and butter for bulking. But damn! you look good brother. Keep it up dude.

[benchmstr]

I still stand by my other post. Throw 500mg of EQ into the mix every week for about 12-16 weeks.

agreed,it isnt a cycle without EQ

bench

[local hero]

500mg of eq.... wouldnt cost much.. i just hate havn to put up with the additional shots, i dont know how people on larger doses cope... ive never ran courses this long, apart from preps, be intresting to see what happens with bein able to eat and with out doing excessive cardio........thanx for the replys lads !

[trab]

well to be honest ive never cycled consistantly thru the yr,,,, just used here and there, best cycle outside my contest prep would look like

week1 to 3   1000mg sus, 30mg dbol
week4 to 5   1000mg enth, hcg spread thru week
week5 to 8   200mg prop eod

usualy it would just be 1000mg sus or enth for 8 weeks with dbol 1st 4 weeks

Impresive development
I Like SwollT's Deca to the Dbol. 300-400wk. I'd add it, or the EQ up front.

I got a thing about not screwing too much w/ what works...this clearly been workin 4 you. I'd lengthen it a bit.
The 1000mg  3 X Sustanon???  Ever Consider ADDING 300-500mg of Enanthate on top of the 1000Sus for wk 1-3?
Fill the hypo.

Yeah, your allready takin' 2  500mg shots a week, but if you look at the Sus release rate spread over the 21days (aprox) it's not that huge a dose. Regardless, be aware your runin stuff over the top of each sus shot for 3wks after. More than 30mg ed Dbol is a waste for most guys IMO. Feel good on 30. Like crap on 50.

[SWOLETRAIN]

check out the PMQ answered by GH15 on this board. The one about EQ & test in a bulker. Good info there. IMO EQ is like Deca-lite. Better for cutting than anything else. You lookin to get your bloat on and put on some size go deca dbol and test. I personally am not a fan of sust either. It throws levels everywhere. Test e, deca, dianabol= gold when it comes to bulking.

[Rimbaud]

Better for cutting than anything else.

Not necessarily. EQ will increase the appetite something crazy.

[Arnold jr]

16 wk cycles of test, either cyp or e
Add in EQ or deca
Use GH and/or IGF-1
Tren could be added, but with the other things, not really necessary, just an option.

Stay off 8wks, get checked up, if clear, cycle again...this is not counting PCT time.

Example:

AAS Cycle wk 1-16
PCT wk 17-19 or 20
Off for 8wks
Repeat.

[Luv2Hurt]

IMO if you really wanna move up and put on some real quality mass, you need to stay on for longer I would say a year or so.  This cycling "here and there" will not cut it.  Keep the gear basic Test and the anabolic of your choice I would recommend deca.  Yo-Yoing up and down by coming on and off plays hell on your hormonal system and will not help your progress.

On another note your training, diet and commitment also need to be there year round. 

[local hero]

i couldnt afford to run igf and growth thru the yr on top of all the food and the gear, have to leave that for when its truly needed, as in preps... when i started on the gear 6 yr or so ago, the short courses were all the rage and thats what ive grown up with..altho im guessing most that advocated them were probly bridging and never completely off inbetween

from reading around, and not just off here, it seems like longer is the way to go, and im lookin forward to puttn some of this advice into practice,,altho its almost a shame to go back on as im just gettn used to training naturaly, deadlifting more than ever!

i think i'll play the next cycle by ear, see how i feel at 16wks and if ok extend it to 20 or maybe a little longer,,, i dont think id go for a full yr, if i compete next summer that would be a lot of time on without a break