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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2020, 07:09:29 PM »
One of my many problems with the Democrats was they had no sense of unity - the progressive faction and the moderate faction should be two different parties.

They screwed Bernie for the second time in the primaries this year, and, like a good politician, he got in line.

Now that they feel they have the election locked down, they're turning on their own:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/progressives-slam-pelosi-ice-cream-stunt-in-election-post-mortem/

7 months after the fact, mind you, but they gave an impression of unity, and that will be gone:

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“The economy was voters’ top concern in this election,” read the letter penned on Wednesday.
“When Democratic leaders make unforced errors like showing off two sub-zero freezers full of ice cream on national television or cozy up with Wall Street executives and corporate lobbyists while Trump tells voters we are the party of the swamp, it is not surprising that we lose,” it continued.
The letter referred to a now-infamous exchange in which Pelosi (D-Calif.) flashed her $24,000 Sub-Zero freezers stuffed with $13 ice creams in an interview with James Corden at the peak of the pandemic.
Progressive groups New Deal Strategies, Justice Democrats, Sunrise Movement and Data for Progress unloaded on Democratic leadership, whom they accused of being out of touch, and predicted Republicans would recapture the House in 2022.
“Democratic leadership has failed over the years to make sustained investments in field organizing, forcing grassroots organizations to carry the bulk of organizing work in key battleground states on their own,” the letter read.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/aoc-fumes-over-rep-joe-manchins-crazy-socialist-agenda-tweet/

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WASHINGTON — NY Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez clapped back at fellow Democratic lawmaker Rep. Joe Manchin of West Virginia after he said he did not support defunding the police — tweeting an image of her glowering at him at the State of the Union.
The Bronx-born socialist expressed her displeasure on Thursday at an earlier tweet from Manchin, a centrist, who attacked the party’s noisy left flank as hand-wringing continues over the party’s poor 2020 showing.
“Defund the police? Defund, my butt. I’m a proud West Virginia Democrat. We are the party of working men and women. We want to protect Americans’ jobs & healthcare. We do not have some crazy socialist agenda, and we do not believe in defunding the police,” he wrote.
Ocasio-Cortez’s (D. Bronx) response to her colleague’s tweet notched more than 200,000 likes by Thursday afternoon and prompted progressive group the Sunrise Movement to start a petition to “Defund Joe Manchin’s butt.”
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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2020, 07:16:55 PM »
I would argue that Bernie did the adult thing and voted for the person he felt came closest to his views.  I'm a Bernie guy more so than a democrat.  I vote democrat because I get more of what I believe in from them than the Republicans.  Also, this year, the dems treated Bernie better than in 2016. 

I would tell my progressive friends and politicians to get better at messaging.  Defund the police was a loser from day one.  Policing in this country needs reform if not a complete overhaul but labeling it as defund the police scared people away. 

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2020, 07:26:27 PM »
Because the Republican party makes no bones about their disdain for unions and organized labor.  As well as being against the civil rights and voting rights act.  They also despise the social safety nets and do everything they can to bankrupt them.  Unemployment insurance, food assistance, etc. etc.  There was a time when African Americans weren't able to receive many of these benefits and these programs were wildly popular with all of America.  Then, once they were granted rights/access about half the country changed their stance.  Coincidence?

C'mon, man, don't be like that.

A higher percentage of Republicans in the House and Senate voted for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts than did Democrats.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights




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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2020, 07:38:48 PM »
You know better.  After those passed, LBJ kicked the southern, racist contingent out of the democratic party and they landed safely in the arms of the GOP.  George Romney marched with Dr. King.  His son most certainly would not do the same given the same set of circumstances nowadays.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2020, 08:20:53 PM »
You know better.  After those passed, LBJ kicked the southern, racist contingent out of the democratic party and they landed safely in the arms of the GOP.  George Romney marched with Dr. King.  His son most certainly would not do the same given the same set of circumstances nowadays.

Name the lawmakers who switched from to Democrat to Republican in response to those '64 and '65 acts.

But why would any self-respecting racist join the party that passed Civil Rights and Voting Rights?

Today's Mitt would have marched with MLK.  I can't imagine the same set of circumstances for today. 
Perhaps, Mitt marching with BLM or Rev. Al?  That, I can't see.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2020, 08:39:30 PM »
Name the lawmakers who switched from to Democrat to Republican in response to those '64 and '65 acts.

But why would any self-respecting racist join the party that passed Civil Rights and Voting Rights?

Today's Mitt would have marched with MLK.  I can't imagine the same set of circumstances for today. 
Perhaps, Mitt marching with BLM or Rev. Al?  That, I can't see.

I was speaking more about the voting public switching parties due to racism but to answer your question, Strom Thurmond.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2020, 08:23:05 AM »
You know better.  After those passed, LBJ kicked the southern, racist contingent out of the democratic party and they landed safely in the arms of the GOP.  George Romney marched with Dr. King.  His son most certainly would not do the same given the same set of circumstances nowadays.
LBJ was a racist till the end and so was Senator Bird who was actually a leader in the KKK.  Democrats just use the race card to keep blacks voting for them.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2020, 08:33:48 AM »
I would argue that Bernie did the adult thing and voted for the person he felt came closest to his views.  I'm a Bernie guy more so than a democrat.  I vote democrat because I get more of what I believe in from them than the Republicans.  Also, this year, the dems treated Bernie better than in 2016. 

I would tell my progressive friends and politicians to get better at messaging.  Defund the police was a loser from day one.  Policing in this country needs reform if not a complete overhaul but labeling it as defund the police scared people away.

Bernie is a fraud.  A career politician with little accomplishments, who increased his wealth significantly during his tenure.  I don't think he was treated well - he was going to win the primaries until Mayor Pete and Klobuchar suddenly dropped out before Super Tuesday, likely in exchange for cabinet positions or something from Biden.

But, to be fair, in 2016 there were many who liked either Trump OR Bernie vs Hillary, despite them being polar opposites politically.  It's likely because they both represented an outsider to the norm.  Bernie's actions subsequently have proven him more to be insider than outsider.  He should have ran independent.  Rather than worry about who would win that election, it would force change, which is never easy.
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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2020, 08:48:50 AM »
Pete Buttigieg was another fraud. A former navy intel officer turned CIA-asset/mayor who had 200+ foreign policy and national security professional endorsements for President.

https://mronline.org/2020/01/04/the-spooks-choice-coup-plotters-and-cia-agents-fill-pete-buttigiegs-list-of-national-security-endorsers/
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Could-Former-Naval-Intelligence-Officer-Pete-Buttigieg-Be-a-CIA-Asset-.html?aid=_20v5Au3lmk&soid=1129123336119


"How exactly did Mayor Pete end up in the Navy? It’s interesting for a man who touts his service so readily, that he’s reticent to discuss it in any detail. This is no doubt related to the classified nature of his work, but it’s probably also related to how he ended up in the Navy in the first place.


The Navy Reserve’s  direct commission officer program  allows ambitious young professionals to pad their resumé with military service (usually in intelligence and public affairs) without having to go through tedious processes like basic training or officer candidate school. Indeed, the program has men like Buttigieg in mind: Those who want to serve, but not so badly that they’re going to put their civilian careers at risk to do so.


A highly competitive program, it receives thousands of applicants every year, accepting around a quarter of them.


This program has become de rigueur for a certain type of politically inclined social climber. Indeed, several senior members of the Trump Administration have used this program to add military service to their resumés. Sean Spicer, Reince Pribus and Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie are just three within the Administration who have benefitted from this program. It’s also popular with the rich and politically connected: George P. Bush, Hunter Biden, and Jimmy Pannetta are all alums.


The alums from this program form a tight-knit network within the government, including at the CIA, with many officers having served at Guantanamo. Buttigieg’s former commander was once the chief linguist at Gitmo, according to his  LinkedIn page ."

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2020, 09:37:32 AM »


"How exactly did Mayor Pete end up in the Navy?


Heard about lots of seamen.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2020, 09:47:30 AM »
Bernie is a fraud.  A career politician with little accomplishments, who increased his wealth significantly during his tenure.  I don't think he was treated well - he was going to win the primaries until Mayor Pete and Klobuchar suddenly dropped out before Super Tuesday, likely in exchange for cabinet positions or something from Biden.

But, to be fair, in 2016 there were many who liked either Trump OR Bernie vs Hillary, despite them being polar opposites politically.  It's likely because they both represented an outsider to the norm.  Bernie's actions subsequently have proven him more to be insider than outsider.  He should have ran independent.  Rather than worry about who would win that election, it would force change, which is never easy.

Bernies a total fraud. Never worked a day in his life.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2020, 10:03:41 AM »

Heard about lots of seamen.

I laughed😂

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2020, 12:42:56 PM »
I would argue that Bernie did the adult thing and voted for the person he felt came closest to his views.  I'm a Bernie guy more so than a democrat.  I vote democrat because I get more of what I believe in from them than the Republicans.  Also, this year, the dems treated Bernie better than in 2016. 

I would tell my progressive friends and politicians to get better at messaging.  Defund the police was a loser from day one.  Policing in this country needs reform if not a complete overhaul but labeling it as defund the police scared people away.

Good post. You sound like a reasonable man.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2020, 12:57:32 PM »
Good post. You sound like a reasonable man.


any follower of PEDO muhammad religion is NOT a reasonable man

you are so naive

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2020, 01:54:44 PM »
I dOn'T WaNt To PoSt AbOUt poLiTIcs aNyMoRE. ::)

Interesting use of caps.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2020, 02:17:26 PM »
Sworn Affidavits flying EVERYWHERE

Benjamin Weingarten (@bhweingarten) Tweeted:
Read this sworn affidavit from GOP poll challenger, and former Assistant AG for Michigan, Zachary Larsen, on the alleged fraud he observed in Detroit. This is Third World stuff, and every American should be outraged if these allegations are true https://t.co/63nLXJxAZF https://t.co/9WbamMw4Yc

Michigan Judge Rejects Challenge to Detroit Election Results
Andy Olesko - November 13, 2020

Costantino and McCall filed the complaint in Wayne County Circuit Court on Monday against Detroit, the city’s Clerk Janice Winfrey, Wayne County Clerk Cathy M. Garrett and the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.


https://www.courthousenews.com/michigan-judge-rejects-challenge-to-detroit-election-results/

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2020, 07:03:03 PM »
Being right on get big is not really worth it. No one on the right ever admits they are wrong, and you wade through four years of swamp water for nothing.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2020, 07:07:19 PM »
Being right on get big is not really worth it. No one on the right ever admits they are wrong, and you wade through four years of swamp water for nothing.
When has anyone on the left admitted wrongdoing you pompous ass? ::) You pieces of shit have spent the last 4 years wasting tax dollars and whining, rioting and making up bold faced lies and you expect someone on the right to "admit they are wrong"? LOL, I'd suggest you buckle up, if that little kid sniffing pedo actually gets into office, it's going to be a loooong ass 4 years ahead of you.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2020, 02:33:01 AM »
When has anyone on the left admitted wrongdoing you pompous ass? ::) You pieces of shit have spent the last 4 years wasting tax dollars and whining, rioting and making up bold faced lies and you expect someone on the right to "admit they are wrong"? LOL, I'd suggest you buckle up, if that little kid sniffing pedo actually gets into office, it's going to be a loooong ass 4 years ahead of you.
Yep, 4 years of gridlock and the libs will be whining about the republicans not getting along.

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2020, 09:20:30 PM »
When has anyone on the left admitted wrongdoing you pompous ass? ::) You pieces of shit have spent the last 4 years wasting tax dollars and whining, rioting and making up bold faced lies and you expect someone on the right to "admit they are wrong"? LOL, I'd suggest you buckle up, if that little kid sniffing pedo actually gets into office, it's going to be a loooong ass 4 years ahead of you.

Ok, Biden has admitted his support of the 1994 crime bill was a mistake and he regrets it. Your turn to name something Trump has admitted he was wrong on...

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2020, 09:41:17 PM »
Ok, Biden has admitted his support of the 1994 crime bill was a mistake and he regrets it. Your turn to name something Trump has admitted he was wrong on...

His first two marriages.  :D

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Re: Hammer and Scorecard
« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2020, 08:28:47 PM »
His first two marriages.  :D
''I strongly doubt he admitted he was wrong