Get used to him, he's going to be an all time great.

[Matt]

At 37, for Andrew to surpass Ronnie, it would be almost impossible

I don't think anyone will ever surpass Ronnie.

It's just my opinion, but Ronnie Coleman was the greatest bodybuilder of all time. IMO, Ronnie had no weaknesses other than his abs shape. He had a distended stomach - but what can you expect at that level of mass?

Just seeing Ronnie do side lateral raises in the UNBELIEVABLE - he just had muscle on top of muscle.

As for Andrew Jacked - did this guy just come out of nowhere? He's 37 looking like this? I must be out of the loop.

I'm not really seeing major synthol abuse in Andrew beyond normal pro use. But maybe some poses are worse than others.

For Blessing Awodibu, his arms look flexed even when they aren't.

Hopefully Andrew doesn't ruin his physique that way.

He could be a dark horse. I don't see anyone beating Ramy this year though, if everyone comes in at their previous bests.

[falco]

I believe in the 90's there were better bodies because they did not rely as much on drugs than today.
So "natural selection" would have a part on it. Under less drugs, the genetically gifted would excell. Less drugs would make the bodies look better.
Today everyone with average genes and enough money for drugs can get big. Will look like shit, but it real doesn't matter.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm well aware of what Esicilene is, my point is while yes it inflames the muscle vs oil volumizes it, it's still BS compared to Haney's era and before. 90s guys are morally no better than post 90s guys when it comes to this stuff. Steroids, Gh, insulin, whatever. Site enhancement which oil is technically site enhancement as well is garbage.


I dont have my blinders on to Andrew and he may indeed be using site enhancement oil but he's no worse that 90s guys. They definitely don't get a pass as being morally superior. Especially Wheeler from 98 on. To me his 93 physique is still the perfect physique even at sub 220lbs.

The stuff about Esiclene was mostly balonie. Yes it was used but Wheeler started with Synthol in 1993! You do not damage and smooth over your whole physique with an inflammatory steroid. Wheeler was a stupid fuck,  "Esiclene wasn't even illegal, it wasn't even a steroid." I don't know if Flex ever even used Esiclene, it was mostly balonie to cover up his Synthol use which most didn't even know about.

[Walter Sobchak]

I think Wiggs just meant that the guys from the 90's were pushing the envelope with whatever they had access to, by and large.

They didn't abuse synthol because it didn't exist. Esicline was the closest thing to pump in your delts, and it was no doubt widespread.

1990's guys don't deserve credit for having a more moderate mentality...they simply didn't have the substances available to abuse.

Nasser said literally all pro bodybuilders use synthol. The way he spoke about it, 100% of IFBB pro bodybuilders use it. He said synth is as common among pros as toothpaste, and then amended that statement and said synthol is as common as toilet paper among pros.

I'm sure Nasser had some idea.

RIP Nasshoil Oil Synthoilbody.

Shut the fuck up, weakling.

Go jerkoff for soggy old men.

[Bevo]

Shut the fuck up, weakling.

Go jerkoff for soggy old men.

Hahahaha 

[beakdoctor]

Has any other pro fell apart so quickly as Nasser? Shit he almost won in 97 and 5 years later looked like shit.

So esicline is quite a different compound than synthol? Synthol is an oil thats somewhat necrotic but esicline is more like a temporary localized steroid?

Synthol destroyed Nasser and clearly damaged Flex. Was esicline equally as toxic?

I dont know much about either but for years people have tended to discuss them interchangeably 

[wes]

Has any other pro fell apart so quickly as Nasser? Shit he almost won in 97 and 5 years later looked like shit.

So esicline is quite a different compound than synthol? Synthol is an oil thats somewhat necrotic but esicline is more like a temporary localized steroid?

Synthol destroyed Nasser and clearly damaged Flex. Was esicline equally as toxic?

I dont know much about either but for years people have tended to discuss them interchangeably 

https://www.steroid.com/Esiclene.php

https://caliberstrong.com/blog/what-is-synthol/

[oldschoolfan]

Has any other pro fell apart so quickly as Nasser? Shit he almost won in 97 and 5 years later looked like shit.

So esicline is quite a different compound than synthol? Synthol is an oil thats somewhat necrotic but esicline is more like a temporary localized steroid?

Synthol destroyed Nasser and clearly damaged Flex. Was esicline equally as toxic?

I dont know much about either but for years people have tended to discuss them interchangeably

Great point nassar fell apart fast rich gaspari aslo went to shit fast as well that weirdo has chest and bicep implants now and let’s women fuck his ass with dildos

[Van_Bilderass]

 

Has any other pro fell apart so quickly as Nasser? Shit he almost won in 97 and 5 years later looked like shit.

So esicline is quite a different compound than synthol? Synthol is an oil thats somewhat necrotic but esicline is more like a temporary localized steroid?

Synthol destroyed Nasser and clearly damaged Flex. Was esicline equally as toxic?

I dont know much about either but for years people have tended to discuss them interchangeably

Synthol is a very bad idea all around. People make all sorts of assumptions, that it sticks around for years, that it allows more muscle gains due to stretching the fascia. All that is balonie in my opinion. This stuff cause massive scar tissue over time, that's why the disfigurement is permanent in many cases. Who thinks causing a massive amount of scar tissue is desirable? Then these geniuses pay a lot of money for massage to "reduce scar tissue" lol. Also, for some it doesn't "take," for some reason they aren't developing a lot of scar tissue.

Temporary site injections before shows I have no problem with. Unfortunately Esiclene is long gone from the market. Forum posters make too much of this Esiclene stuff. You could't build a body with it, it's just a little top-off. Though if it became available it would sell like crazy. I would try it too although I have no real use for it lol.

What's slightly interesting is that some oils have a tiny local anabolic effect so some gurus recommend a tiny amount for any bodypart you trained that day. I have no problem with the concept though I wonder if it's worth the damage from the needle prick.

[joswift]

What's slightly interesting is that some oils have a tiny local anabolic effect so some gurus recommend a tiny amount for any bodypart you trained that day. I have no problem with the concept though I wonder if it's worth the damage from the needle prick.

pro I know who used to compete in the 70s and 80s told me they shot whichever bodypart they were training that day

[Titus Pullo]

The stuff about Esiclene was mostly balonie. Yes it was used but Wheeler started with Synthol in 1993! You do not damage and smooth over your whole physique with an inflammatory steroid. Wheeler was a stupid fuck,  "Esiclene wasn't even illegal, it wasn't even a steroid." I don't know if Flex ever even used Esiclene, it was mostly balonie to cover up his Synthol use which most didn't even know about.

Van,

I was but a pup in bodybuilding in early '93, having trained only a year in a well-equipped basement gym before joining Gastonia's equivalent of Gold's, GAC, run by Doug Kosh and his wife. 

When all of the pre-magazine word of mouth and nonprofessional fan-taken pics spread, even big Doug, former Mr. Pennsylvania or somesuch, everyone was in awe of Wheeler.  Even the local guy who hithereto mopped up almost every title *except* for that ever elusive NC state championship win, Rodney Saunders, was blown away.  (Rodney went on to win the Carolina overall in '95, I believe.)

Anyhow, looking at his form at any of the '93 shows, I just don't see Synthol in his body then, although I would readily admit he started doing something VERY weird by '99, maybe sooner?

But back to '93:  he had awesome dryness and detail.  If he was using escilene, I'd say it was likely in his calves and delts.

Synthol? 

If so, I reckon he could have even been dabbling with the shit at the 1992 USAs, because he was almost as good then as he was in early 93.




I've no dog in this fight   I'm legitimately interested in when SEOs became so important.

[Kwon]

Yes that’s his real name.

Flex Lewis’ first name was not really Flex.

It was Kenneth.

What? Flex Lewis name was Kenneth just like Flex Wheeler???


Always thought Flew Lewis name was James and not Ken?

[Taffin]

What? Flex Lewis name was Kenneth just like Flex Wheeler???


Always thought Flew Lewis name was James and not Ken?

Not quite - Flew Lewis was Jammeth Wheeler... (it's an easy mistake to make )

[FitnessFrenzy]

An all time great?

Wiggs is higher than this guy's lat insertions 

[Taffin]

An all time great?

Wiggs is higher than this guy's lat insertions 

Higher than bhanky's maid..?

[Walter Sobchak]

Higher than bhanky's maid..?

Higher than Bhanky’s hairline…

[Bevo]

Higher than Bhanky’s hairline…

That’s really high

[Van_Bilderass]

Van,

I was but a pup in bodybuilding in early '93, having trained only a year in a well-equipped basement gym before joining Gastonia's equivalent of Gold's, GAC, run by Doug Kosh and his wife. 

When all of the pre-magazine word of mouth and nonprofessional fan-taken pics spread, even big Doug, former Mr. Pennsylvania or somesuch, everyone was in awe of Wheeler.  Even the local guy who hithereto mopped up almost every title *except* for that ever elusive NC state championship win, Rodney Saunders, was blown away.  (Rodney went on to win the Carolina overall in '95, I believe.)

Anyhow, looking at his form at any of the '93 shows, I just don't see Synthol in his body then, although I would readily admit he started doing something VERY weird by '99, maybe sooner?

But back to '93:  he had awesome dryness and detail.  If he was using escilene, I'd say it was likely in his calves and delts.

Synthol? 

If so, I reckon he could have even been dabbling with the shit at the 1992 USAs, because he was almost as good then as he was in early 93.




I've no dog in this fight   I'm legitimately interested in when SEOs became so important.

Well, when did Shawn call out Flex on his calves, what year? The calves were Synthol. Clearly something abnormal was going on when someone like Shawn wanted X-rays of his calves. Synthol was little known in the beginning. The rumor was that Flex got it through Chris Clark. I seem to remember it was first sold in Germany I think, called Synthrol? In retrospect we knew that WSM competitor Manfred Hoeberl was using it and it was in the early 90s. But no one called him out because almost no one knew about it.
So it was calves first for Flex, and in the beginning it didn't look that bad as he hadn't developed all that scar tissue and weird lumps. Then he started shooting the rest of his body, at least delts and arms. By about 95 it had spread and many or most pros were experimenting with it. 1999 would be way late, by '99 it was at least 5 years in common use.

Who knows when exactly Shawn raised a stink about Flex' calves? Perhaps it was after the 93 Arnold Classic?

Hard to find really good pics from 93 but this pic looks suspect. The calves look too round with the legs straight.

[Matt]

Shut the fuck up, weakling.

Go jerkoff for soggy old men.

Weakling?

I warm up with your workout.

[joswift]

Well, when did Shawn call out Flex on his calves, what year? The calves were Synthol. Clearly something abnormal was going on when someone like Shawn wanted X-rays of his calves. Synthol was little known in the beginning. The rumor was that Flex got it through Chris Clark. I seem to remember it was first sold in Germany I think, called Synthrol? In retrospect we knew that WSM competitor Manfred Hoeberl was using it and it was in the early 90s. But no one called him out because almost no one knew about it.
So it was calves first for Flex, and in the beginning it didn't look that bad as he hadn't developed all that scar tissue and weird lumps. Then he started shooting the rest of his body, at least delts and arms. By about 95 it had spread and many or most pros were experimenting with it. 1999 would be way late, by '99 it was at least 5 years in common use.

Who knows when exactly Shawn raised a stink about Flex' calves? Perhaps it was after the 93 Arnold Classic?

Hard to find really good pics from 93 but this pic looks suspect. The calves look too round with the legs straight.