Coal miners' union urges Manchin to reconsider opposition to Biden plan

[Straw Man]

Looks like his core constituency wants him to support Biden's plan
I wonder how he's going to weasel his way out of this one (I'm sure he'll find a way)
Maybe Machin will invite the union leaders to a meeting on his yacht so he can explain to them why they are wrong.

Coal miners' union urges Manchin to reconsider opposition to Biden plan

The United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), which represents West Virginia coal miners, urged Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Monday to revisit his opposition to President Biden's Build Back Better plan.

The labor union noted that the bill includes an extension of a fund that provides benefits to coal miners suffering from black lung disease, which expires at the end of the year. The UMWA also touted tax incentives that encourage manufacturers to build facilities in coalfields that would employ thousands of miners who lost their jobs.

“For those and other reasons, we are disappointed that the bill will not pass,” Cecil Roberts, the union’s president, said in a statement. “We urge Senator Manchin to revisit his opposition to this legislation and work with his colleagues to pass something that will help keep coal miners working, and have a meaningful impact on our members, their families, and their communities.”

Manchin on Sunday announced that he would not support Democrats’ roughly $2 trillion climate and social spending bill, dooming its chances in the 50-50 Senate. He said that lawmakers should instead address inflation, the national debt and rising COVID-19 cases.

As countless interest groups call on Manchin to reverse course, the statement from the mine workers’ union might be the most impactful. Manchin was born into a coal mining family and for decades has worked closely with the UMWA, which named Manchin an honorary member last year.

“Standing alongside the UMWA members while they fought tooth and nail to secure the pension and healthcare benefits they rightfully earned has been one of the greatest honors of my life,” Manchin said in a statement at the time.

Manchin, who owns stock in a coal brokerage firm, played a key part in overhauling the bill’s clean energy provisions and pushed for the measure to incentivize new clean energy jobs for displaced coal workers.

Roberts added in his statement that the spending package includes a provision to penalize companies that deny workers the ability to unionize, a measure taken from the larger pro-union PRO Act that Manchin supports.

“This language is critical to any long-term ability to restore the right to organize in America in the face of ramped-up union-busting by employers,” he said. “But now there is no path forward for millions of workers to exercise their rights at work.”

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/586661-coal-miners-union-urges-manchin-to-reconsider

[AbrahamG]

Looks like his core constituency wants him to support Biden's plan
I wonder how he's weasel his way out of this one (I'm sure he'll find a way)
Maybe Machin will invite the union leaders to a meeting on his yacht so he can explain to them why they are wrong.

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/586661-coal-miners-union-urges-manchin-to-reconsider

He's garbage.  West Virginia, more than any state in the union would benefit from B³!

[Straw Man]

He's garbage.  West Virginia, more than any state in the union would benefit from B³!

Yeah, it's kind of hard to understand where he is coming from on anything

His opposition to the senate "rule" of requiring 60 votes to shut down a filibuster is bullshit too

Just last week the Senate passed a debt ceiling limit with a simple majority vote

How did they that?

They just waived the filibuster rule for that particular vote...no problem at all.

The 50 Senate Democrats represent 43 million MORE VOTERS than the 50 Senate Republicans
That 43 million represents about 28% of the total electorate in the last election
The idea that the Senate is evenly split is total bulllshit.

BTW - Mitch McConnell would abandon that rule in a heartbeat if it served his purpose

We know that for a fact because that's exactly what McConnell did in 2017 when he and fellow Republicans lowered the required threshold of 60 votes to approve Supreme Court justices because Dems filibustered Gorsuch's nomination.... which is how we got a deeply conservative SCOTUS that doesn't represent the view of the majority of voters in this country.

Manchin is a fucking fool and a hypocrite

[Coach is Back!]

The communism is really coming out in this thread.

[AbrahamG]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to understand where he is coming from on anything

His opposition to the senate "rule" of requiring 60 votes to shut down a filibuster is bullshit too

Just last week the Senate passed a debt ceiling limit with a simple majority vote

How did they that?

They just waived the filibuster rule for that particular vote...no problem at all.

The 50 Senate Democrats represent 43 million MORE VOTERS than the 50 Senate Republicans
That 43 million represents about 28% of the total electorate in the last election
The idea that the Senate is evenly split is total bulllshit.

BTW - Mitch McConnell would abandon that rule in a heartbeat if it served his purpose

We know that for a fact because that's exactly what McConnell did in 2017 when he and fellow Republicans lowered the required threshold of 60 votes to approve Supreme Court justices because Dems filibustered Gorsuch's nomination.... which is how we got a deeply conservative SCOTUS that doesn't represent the view of the majority of voters in this country.

Manchin is a fucking fool and a hypocrite

Agree with everything you said.  Love how Wyoming has more Senators than congress men or women.  Ridiculous.  Senate seats should be divvied up by population the same way house seats are.

[AbrahamG]

The communism is really coming out in this thread.

You can do better than this.  This leads me to believe you have no idea what communism is. 

[MCWAY]

Looks like his core constituency wants him to support Biden's plan
I wonder how he's going to weasel his way out of this one (I'm sure he'll find a way)
Maybe Machin will invite the union leaders to a meeting on his yacht so he can explain to them why they are wrong.

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/586661-coal-miners-union-urges-manchin-to-reconsider

Hardly!! Notice how conveniently this article arrives, despite Manchin's months-long reservations about Biden's boondoggle bill, once Manchin goes on TV and says no.

You really think these coal miners are going to vote for someone other than Manchin next year? Even if they do, it won't be enough especially if the Dems try running some uber-leftist against him in the primary.

[Straw Man]

You can do better than this.  This leads me to believe you have no idea what communism is.

No, unfortunately he can't do any better and he has no fucking clue what communism is ...just like most other things he comments about on this board

[AbrahamG]

Hardly!! Notice how conveniently this article arrives, despite Manchin's months-long reservations about Biden's boondoggle bill, once Manchin goes on TV and says no.

You really think these coal miners are going to vote for someone other than Manchin next year? Even if they do, it won't be enough especially if the Dems try running some uber-leftist against him in the primary.

I think Manchin is worried about being unseated by whomever the GOP runs against him.  Certainly not worried about a primary challenge from the left.

[Straw Man]

Hardly!! Notice how conveniently this article arrives, despite Manchin's months-long reservations about Biden's boondoggle bill, once Manchin goes on TV and says no.

You really think these coal miners are going to vote for someone other than Manchin next year? Even if they do, it won't be enough especially if the Dems try running some uber-leftist against him in the primary.

yeah, it was so "convenient" that the coal miners union decided to comment on it now...just a day after they found out that Manchin wasn't going to support it

Total coincidence   

It's not like anyone would believe they are reacting to the news of Manchin abandoning desperately needed funds for this state which they only found out a day or so ago....just like the rest of the country

[MCWAY]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to understand where he is coming from on anything

His opposition to the senate "rule" of requiring 60 votes to shut down a filibuster is bullshit too

Just last week the Senate passed a debt ceiling limit with a simple majority vote

How did they that?

They just waived the filibuster rule for that particular vote...no problem at all.

The 50 Senate Democrats represent 43 million MORE VOTERS than the 50 Senate Republicans
That 43 million represents about 28% of the total electorate in the last election
The idea that the Senate is evenly split is total bulllshit.

BTW - Mitch McConnell would abandon that rule in a heartbeat if it served his purpose

We know that for a fact because that's exactly what McConnell did in 2017 when he and fellow Republicans lowered the required threshold of 60 votes to approve Supreme Court justices because Dems filibustered Gorsuch's nomination.... which is how we got a deeply conservative SCOTUS that doesn't represent the view of the majority of voters in this country.

Manchin is a fucking fool and a hypocrite

I guess you forgot that Reid lowered the 60-vote threshold for all the other judges, despite warnings from McConnell that the Dems would regret doing such.

Reid, like the other Dems, just didn't think the GOP would have both the Senate and the White House to fill any vacancy on the high court. Boy, did that backfire.....as in THREE Vacancies on the Supreme Court with the GOP holding the Senate and/or the Oval Office.

And here we go again with libs whining about the Senate, because they can't get their way with legislation. The House is where you get representation based on population. It's balanced by the Senate where each state gets two senate seats, regardless of population. Just because Dems squish all their people in certain spots doesn't mean the Senate needs to be changed.

[MCWAY]

I think Manchin is worried about being unseated by whomever the GOP runs against him.  Certainly not worried about a primary challenge from the left.

And if he votes for Biden's bloated bill, that's exactly what's going to happen to him.

[Straw Man]

I guess you forgot that Reid lowered the 60-vote threshold for all the other judges, despite warnings from McConnell that the Dems would regret doing such.

Reid, like the other Dems, just didn't think the GOP would have both the Senate and the White House to fill any vacancy on the high court. Boy, did that backfire.....as in THREE Vacancies on the Supreme Court with the GOP holding the Senate and/or the Oval Office.

Yep, he did if for lower court judges and then McConnell did it for SCOTUS (much different) and then of course they waive it whenever they want to like last week when they waived it in order to pass the debt ceiling limits

It's total bullshit

Make everything a simple majority like it should be

It's just a bullshit archaic rule so let's just get rid of it once and for all

Same goes for the electoral college

[MCWAY]

yeah, it was so "convenient" that the coal miners union decided to comment on it now...just a day after they found out that Manchin wasn't going to support it

Total coincidence   

It's not like anyone would believe they are reacting to the news of Manchin abandoning desperately needed funds for this state which they only found out a day or so ago....just like the rest of the country

Under what rock have you been hiding?

Manchin has opposed this mess for MONTHS. It's hardly been a secret. So your complaining as if this union just found out that Manchin has his doubts about it is patently absurd.

[MCWAY]

Yep, he did if for lower court judges and then McConnell did it for SCOTUS (much different) and then of course they waive it whenever they want to like last week when they waived it in order to pass the debt ceiling limits

And that's no different than the Dems loving the filibuster when they're in the minority but loathing it when they're in the majority.

It's total bullshit

Make everything a simple majority like it should be

It's just a bullshit archaic rule so let's just get rid of it once and for all

Same goes for the electoral college

Reid should have left the judge thing alone......period. The only reason he did it is because he thought he and his buddies could pack the lower courts with libs; so most cases challenging their agenda wouldn't even make it to the Supreme Court.

Again, they just never calculated that they'd lose BOTH the Senate and White House so quickly afterward......followed by two deaths and a retirement on the Supreme Court with the GOP running the show.

As Obama liked to say, "Elections have consequences!"

[Coach is Back!]

You can do better than this.  This leads me to believe you have no idea what communism is.

I’ve studied it pretty extensively

[AbrahamG]

I’ve studied it pretty extensively

I was afraid I came off as a prick so I am glad that I didn't offend you.  But a simple definition of communism is:

Essential Meaning of communism
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property

I just don't see the connection between communism and build back better. 

Pivoting to coal workers for a minute.  There are currently 38,340 coal miners in the United States.  We are letting 38K people hold us hostage from progressing to greener, cleaner energy which would more than replace those jobs with safer jobs and possibly millions of them to boot.

[Coach is Back!]

I was afraid I came off as a prick so I am glad that I didn't offend you.  But a simple definition of communism is:

Essential Meaning of communism
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property

I just don't see the connection between communism and build back better. 

Pivoting to coal workers for a minute.  There are currently 38,340 coal miners in the United States.  We are letting 38K people hold us hostage from progressing to greener, cleaner energy which would more than replace those jobs with safer jobs and possibly millions of them to boot.

Brother, you and I will always be cool despite our political differences. I don’t put you in the same category as the others

[Agnostic007]

I’ve studied it pretty extensively

 

[MCWAY]

I was afraid I came off as a prick so I am glad that I didn't offend you.  But a simple definition of communism is:

Essential Meaning of communism
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property

I just don't see the connection between communism and build back better. 

Pivoting to coal workers for a minute.  There are currently 38,340 coal miners in the United States.  We are letting 38K people hold us hostage from progressing to greener, cleaner energy which would more than replace those jobs with safer jobs and possibly millions of them to boot.

If it were really about "greener, cleaner energy", we'd be using nuclear power.