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Weiders and murder. Unsolved Mysteries and Richard Minns
« on: December 30, 2021, 06:29:23 PM »
     Happened to be watching the old show Unsolved Mysteries and saw the case of bodybuilder Richard Minns, a married bodybuilder who put a hit out on his girlfriend but the shooting left her paralyzed instead of dead. Minns began a chain of health clubs in the 60s and 70s called First Lady of Fitness(ironically what Betty Weider would come to be known as) and was a multi millionaire.
      Celebrities like Farah Fawcett did ads for the health chain at the height of her fame. Minns and Weider were Jewish bodybuilders, about the same age, and both were into sculpture of bodybuilders. This was based on their philosophy of objectivism, made famous by author Ayn Rand who whose well known work Atlas shrugged was an inspiration to many including Weider, Minns and later Mike Mentzer who was devoted to Ayn Rand and objectivism. It was no coincidence that an Italian immigrant named himself Charles Atlas to become a bodybuilding icon. They were all part of this Atlas society, and Richard Minns was essentially a broke bodybuilder who was made in charge of the clubs with the help of a guy named Bob Delmonteque, who was closely associated with Weider.
    Somehow Richard Minns had DEEP connections that let him avoid jail and escape, where he lived in Tel Aviv, and has been honored for his sculpture Atlas Shrugged by the Ayn Rand society of Israel despite his murderous past. I cannot see these connections somehow not coming back to Weider. There were also some fishy things with the clubs including money laundering charges, which may or may not have become Bally's fitness as the paper trail gets murky around the 80s.
    The woman Minns had shot now runs wheelchair marathons as she is paralyzed for life, the story was on Unsolved Mysteries yet Minns was honored for his sculpture and never faced any charges, despite being arrested finally in 1994 off an airplane but was magically released. All charges dropped.
     BTW, I believe that Mike Mentzer got all of his Ayn Rand objectivism rants from Weider but did not fully understand them. So when he went mad and fell into drugs, he was rambling about these things he got from Weider but he had spun them into madness.
     Yet Weider's whole thing about bodybuilding was the philosophy of creating your own reality. Sculpting the human body was in many ways changing what God gave you. This is blasphemous in some circles, especially back in the 40s when Weider started. But it is an objectivist perspective, which Weider adopted. Bodybuilding was a philosophy to him. As well as Richard Minns and a whole underground bodybuilding society. Have not connected all the dots yet so it's just gossip and opinion. Notomorrow.




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Re: Weiders and murder. Unsolved Mysteries and Richard Minns
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2021, 06:47:06 PM »
     Happened to be watching the old show Unsolved Mysteries and saw the case of bodybuilder Richard Minns, a married bodybuilder who put a hit out on his girlfriend but the shooting left her paralyzed instead of dead. Minns began a chain of health clubs in the 60s and 70s called First Lady of Fitness(ironically what Betty Weider would come to be known as) and was a multi millionaire.
      Celebrities like Farah Fawcett did ads for the health chain at the height of her fame. Minns and Weider were Jewish bodybuilders, about the same age, and both were into sculpture of bodybuilders. This was based on their philosophy of objectivism, made famous by author Ayn Rand who whose well known work Atlas shrugged was an inspiration to many including Weider, Minns and later Mike Mentzer who was devoted to Ayn Rand and objectivism. It was no coincidence that an Italian immigrant named himself Charles Atlas to become a bodybuilding icon. They were all part of this Atlas society, and Richard Minns was essentially a broke bodybuilder who was made in charge of the clubs with the help of a guy named Bob Delmonteque, who was closely associated with Weider.
    Somehow Richard Minns had DEEP connections that let him avoid jail and escape, where he lived in Tel Aviv, and has been honored for his sculpture Atlas Shrugged by the Ayn Rand society of Israel despite his murderous past. I cannot see these connections somehow not coming back to Weider. There were also some fishy things with the clubs including money laundering charges, which may or may not have become Bally's fitness as the paper trail gets murky around the 80s.
    The woman Minns had shot now runs wheelchair marathons as she is paralyzed for life, the story was on Unsolved Mysteries yet Minns was honored for his sculpture and never faced any charges, despite being arrested finally in 1994 off an airplane but was magically released. All charges dropped.
     BTW, I believe that Mike Mentzer got all of his Ayn Rand objectivism rants from Weider but did not fully understand them. So when he went mad and fell into drugs, he was rambling about these things he got from Weider but he had spun them into madness.
     Yet Weider's whole thing about bodybuilding was the philosophy of creating your own reality. Sculpting the human body was in many ways changing what God gave you. This is blasphemous in some circles, especially back in the 40s when Weider started. But it is an objectivist perspective, which Weider adopted. Bodybuilding was a philosophy to him. As well as Richard Minns and a whole underground bodybuilding society. Have not connected all the dots yet so it's just gossip and opinion. Notomorrow.





In the bottom photo going left to right we have Bob Barker, mystery queer, Schmoe Weider and Muscle Center.  Who is the mystery homosexual?

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2021, 06:53:01 PM »
Damn, dude. Notmorrow - I love this show.

I'm going to PM you, if you don't mind.

Great thread!!

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2021, 07:54:11 PM »
In the bottom photo going left to right we have Bob Barker, mystery queer, Schmoe Weider and Muscle Center.  Who is the mystery homosexual?

Interesting you bring up homosexuality because this objectivism, Ayn Rand and the Atlas Society was defending homosexuality as part of the whole theory Weider was pushing and Mentzer adopted. This idea of creating not only one's own body, but one's own sexuality. As Rand said,

"It is morally right for people to act in accordance with their natures, whether heterosexual, homosexual, or anything in-between."-Ann Rand. And Minns gets the Ann Rand award from Israel? AFTER being a wanted fugitive?

Weider was a deep guy and IMO he was struggling with the homosexual aspects of bodybuilding and being a moral person through philosophy rather than belief in God. Bodybuilding has some very dark and complex roots.

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2021, 08:35:58 PM »
Bob Delmontegue (SP?) was a fucking perv of a "male model" back in the early days of Weider's weirdness.  Yuck.

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Re: Weiders and murder. Unsolved Mysteries and Richard Minns
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2021, 10:46:31 PM »
Bob Delmontegue (SP?) was a fucking perv of a "male model" back in the early days of Weider's weirdness.  Yuck.

Wow, not sure how you knew that but interesting info you bring up, as this shit get's even deeper. Because Delmonteque was a "trainer" to major in the closet Hollywood stars of the 40s and 50s like Errol Flynn. Clark Gable and Rock Hudson. And he was very connected to Weider, here on an early Weider cover. This was a secret society.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2021, 11:15:44 PM »
Delmontegue and Art Zeller (bodybuilder, and Schwarzenegger friend) were in a gay film called called ""In the Days of Greek Gods" in the mid 1950's. Delmontegue also worked as a "physique" photographer and talent scout in the 50's - 60's before toning it down. A hilarious (non-nude) trailer for that film and others is below -

https://vimeo.com/97344938 .

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2021, 02:13:37 AM »
Wow, not sure how you knew that but interesting info you bring up, as this shit get's even deeper. Because Delmonteque was a "trainer" to major in the closet Hollywood stars of the 40s and 50s like Errol Flynn. Clark Gable and Rock Hudson. And he was very connected to Weider, here on an early Weider cover. This was a secret society.
Errol Flynn had hidden cameras in the bathrooms of his house.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2021, 04:40:47 AM »
Wow, not sure how you knew that but interesting info you bring up, as this shit get's even deeper. Because Delmonteque was a "trainer" to major in the closet Hollywood stars of the 40s and 50s like Errol Flynn. Clark Gable and Rock Hudson. And he was very connected to Weider, here on an early Weider cover. This was a secret society.

I am quite old and none of this has been much of a secret for many decades.  I have one family member that worked (and to a degree, still does) in the radio/film industry.  He used to tell me that he was glad I never wanted to go to Hollyweird because I am easily disgusted by the licentious habit of the rich and shameless. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2021, 04:58:49 AM »
http://www.hayhill.com/minns/minns_more.htm     I remember an article where minns wanted someone to pay him a million dollars to fight a great white shark on tv.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2021, 07:43:39 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2021, 07:51:21 AM »
Were any bloody thongs discovered?

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2021, 08:05:41 AM »
It's only natural that bodybuilders would intersect with Ayn Rand and Objectivism.  The whole point was strength and relying on individualism and not letting the pussies of society run things.

Atlas Shrugged the world off his shoulders to say "who the hell are you to tell me what I have to do with my strength, I'll do what I want".  Possibly the first Getbigger

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2021, 09:13:03 AM »
Were any bloody thongs discovered?

Bloody thongs, aka..."manpons".  Yuck.   ;D

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2021, 05:56:27 PM »
It's only natural that bodybuilders would intersect with Ayn Rand and Objectivism.  The whole point was strength and relying on individualism and not letting the pussies of society run things.

Atlas Shrugged the world off his shoulders to say "who the hell are you to tell me what I have to do with my strength, I'll do what I want".  Possibly the first Getbigger

     Good points. Especially given that most muscular Greek sculptures were Gods with superhuman powers. To look like those Gods is essentially being your own God. Creating your own reality. That is pure bodybuilding. It's revolutionary. I think perhaps that is what is lost today as guys are going for what a judges or gurus ideal is. So all the guys essentially look the same. In the 80s or 90s you could tell who a guy was from his silhouette. It was a form of personal expression on some level. Zane was a mathematician, hence the focus on symmetry. Even Dorian. He wasn't just huge to be huge. He honestly did not want to be elegant and aesthetic. It wasn't his personality. Now guys have no personality. No expression.  They have no idea why they want to look the way they do. So their guru tells them how to look. Same with tattoos. It used to be called body art. Expression. Now every college frat boy is all tatted out with shit he saw in a book at the tattoo shop at the mall. Postmodern theorists predicted this. The age of reproduction. Everyone just follows along. Objectivism lost.