foo fighters drummer dead at 50

[myt1]

There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.

People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.

Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.

I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.

I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.

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From my experience depression is very easy,  and non- sobriety is even very others to see.

100% agree.  You're right, that there can be moments of happiness, or that it's not seen, but in my experience those are few and far between...at least as far as the people that really know you...I don't like opiates either which is why I asked for the smallest dose.  Tramadol was only like 25 mgs per tab if I remember right.  Having IBS, there is nothing worse than having to shit constantly, but not being able to bcuz of oxy's. Your body wants to do one thing, but it won't let you do it.  Oxy's I took for two days after my biceps tendon surgery, and that was even worse, so I said "FUCK THIS STUFF"!!! after the following two surgeries, and 3 injuries.  I would only take it if I was dying, and truly couldn't handle the pain.

[myt1]

asking the best way to come off of meds?

depends on the med.

opiates? what worked for me was about 5 days of kinda heavy benzo use. klonopin particularly, enough to keep you 'comfortable'. in my case it was 3mg in the morning, and another 2-3 about 3-4 more times during the day. you'll be falling asleep standing up in the kitchen, but withdrawl will be a lot easier. then go to a medical detox where they likely give you nothing.. except maybe some suboxone.. then once you're off, its up to you if you wanna be on sub's for longer.


to your last part, when I had a seizure, blacked out, and broke my collar bone.........hadn't drank for well over a month so it wasn't alcohol induced, they took me off xanax in the hospital, and put me on something else I can't remember the name of.  I was more afraid of that than having to have my collar bone fixed in five places from the fall. 

Think it started with a B...everything worked out ok though, except I still have really bad pain in my right collar bone which shattered into 5 pieces, took a titanium plate, and 9 screws to fix such a small bone.  Every pressing motion feels fucked up, awkward, and hurts.
with fentanyl it's different. you can be off fentanyl for 2-3days, take a suboxone and it'll throw you into what's called precipitated withdrawl.. which is like withdrawal x100. uncontrollable vomiting and cramping shitting on the toilet, shaking uncontrollably and pouring sweat with a 140 heart rate. the only thing that'll help it is taking a big dose of fentanyl. if you wait the 16-24hrs till the suboxone wears off, you'll still be in withdrawl and useless to function in daily life, much less work.

there's what's called the "bermese method" which actually works. where you take small small .25mg suboxone twice a day (while still using fent) for 2-3days, then bump it to .5mg twice a day for 2-3 days, then bump it to 1mg twice a day for 2-3days.. then 1.5mg for 1-2days, then 2.5mg, for a couple days... etc... untill you get to 4mg twice a day. at that point, your receptors should be filled with nearly all sub's, not fent. you can also use the benzo protocol i mentioned above. at that point you can just drop the fent and continue with the subs and be fine... if you happen to have some withdrawal, take some fent. ..... that way you avoid the PW.

or with fent, the easy way would be to go to methadone. but only use it for a 2-4wks with a quick taper. the LAST thing you wanna be addicted to is methadone. but holy fuck does that stuff work.

coming off ssri's? the only ones i had expereince with having WD's was effexor and celexa. with effexor i tapered down for 6months (in prison, so no benzos).

coming off benzos? should really be done in-patient in a hospital setting. same with alcohol (if you don't have benzos), cuz you'll likely have a seizure, or 2 or 4, and hallucinate.  maybe, if you have someone willing to help and has the time, get your hands on some 100mg/ml injectable ketamine and put yourself in a k-hole with 1cc IV every 6hrs or so. you'll be unable to move, and in a horrible k-hole hallucinating like youre in a never ending dream, likely falling backwards down an elevator shaft, but you'll avoid the worst parts of opiate and benzo withdrawl.

that's my thoughts, roughtly speaking.

[myt1]

Sorry...I fucked up, and replied within your post making it hard to understand my reply.  Too lazy to try and fix it.  LOL!

[myt1]

That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).

I'm glad that the opioid situation here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.

Yeah, Dr's here go straight to Obids. without even knowing of your past.....all about money here.
Thanks for the reply.  I take it you are from somewhere where they do "free health care" paid for by taxes. bit at least aren't under the influence of pharma reps, which is our biggest problem in the U.S. with all the kickbacks. 

Can you please answer my question about what the the difference is about the type of anti-d's he might have been on vs today's type of things like Trintellix, which has been the only thing I haven't freaked or felt like I was dead on?

[bhank]

Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death.  He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed).  So seem to know your shit....what is an example of  the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report?  Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's. 

I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy.  I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough.  I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?"  He put my on Tramadol 4x per day.  Most I took it was twice a day.  I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst.  I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed.  I got home and threw the rest away.  I had no withdrawals or issues with it.  Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?

Tramadol is misclassified it is not an opiate

[bhank]

Really smart of you. Fear is really good thing when dealing opioids. Most of the people brush the warnings off "doesn't affect me". Tramadol can be tricky too because it's also addictive but in your case if you use small amounts in short periods, it's ok. Tramadol and codeine are most common opioids that I've seen people addicted because they are the most used in my country. Oxys are rare here.

Tramadol is not an opioid

[Karpaasi]

Tramadol is not an opioid

Come on man. I can just quote the first sentence of wikipedia. "Tramadol, sold under the brand name Ultram among others, is an opioid pain medication used to treat moderate to moderately severe pain."

Tramadol and especially it's metabolite binds to the opioid receptor and works as a agonist.

[bhank]

Come on man. I can just quote the first sentence of wikipedia. "Tramadol, sold under the brand name Ultram among others, is an opioid pain medication used to treat moderate to moderately severe pain."

Tramadol and especially it's metabolite binds to the opioid receptor and works as a agonist.

Or you could do some research and see it was not originally classified as an opiate and was reclassified. Or you could have actual exp and know that all opiates do the exact same thing to the body given a high enough dosage you will get the opioid itch. At no dosage will Tramadol ever give you an opioid itch because it is not an opioid. Better yet I could tell you that bottles of Tramadol are in my house right now and have been for years not being used because again they are not opioids. How long do you think actual opioids would last in my house? 36 maybe 48 hours if there was a lot of them?

"When first approved in 1995, tramadol was not considered an opiate (like morphine or oxycodone) even though it acted in similar ways. However, because there were cases of abuse and addiction with its use, the thinking and warnings changed. In 2014, the FDA designated tramadol as a controlled substance."

I assure you Tramadol is not an Opioid I wish it was I would go pop a handful right now but it isn't

Perc, Vicodin, Nubain, Morphine, Oxy, Fent, actual Opium, Heroin they all do the exact same thing at dosage. Tramadol will not do it at any dosage you will never get the itch from tramadol it's not an opioid

[Karpaasi]

Or you could do some research and see it was not originally classified as an opiate and was reclassified. Or you could have actual exp and know that all opiates do the exact same thing to the body given a high enough dosage you will get the opioid itch. At no dosage will Tramadol ever give you an opioid itch because it is not an opioid. Better yet I could tell you that bottles of Tramadol are in my house right now and have been for years not being used because again they are not opioids. How long do you think actual opioids would last in my house? 36 maybe 48 hours if there was a lot of them?

"When first approved in 1995, tramadol was not considered an opiate (like morphine or oxycodone) even though it acted in similar ways. However, because there were cases of abuse and addiction with its use, the thinking and warnings changed. In 2014, the FDA designated tramadol as a controlled substance."

I assure you Tramadol is not an Opioid I wish it was I would go pop a handful right now but it isn't

Perc, Vicodin, Nubain, Morphine, Oxy, Fent, actual Opium, Heroin they all do the exact same thing at dosage. Tramadol will not do it at any dosage you will never get the itch from tramadol it's not an opioid

In layman's terms when we talk about opioids we talk about class of drugs that binds to the opioid receptor(s). Sure, Tramadol is much more weaker than those drugs you mentioned (1/10 of oral morphine) but it still function with the opioid receptor and it's called "weak opioid"

[bhank]

In layman's terms when we talk about opioids we talk about class of drugs that binds to the opioid receptor(s). Sure, Tramadol is much more weaker than those drugs you mentioned (1/10 of oral morphine) but it still function with the opioid receptor and it's called "weak opioid"

It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage

I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't

[Karpaasi]

It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage

I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't

We kinda argue in a different level  We can make a deal that Tramadol isn't a "real opioid" but it's a drug that is an opioid receptor agonist. There any many answers to your questions to why you don't get the same effect if you would take 10 x of Tramadol dose than compared to "strong opioids". The opioid receptor can get sensitised to the fast acting, super aggressively binding drug like oxycodone and it complete alter the pathway signalling so weak opioids don't have the same effect. People also have different metabolation speeds because their CYP-enzymes work differently so effects of Tramadol example differ person to person.

[Taffin]

Have only seen the toxicology, and vid of him saying he'd been sober since [1] he accidently snorted a line of heroin thinking it was coke, and ended up in a 2 week coma.  Do you have a link to the bolded part?

BBers and musicians that partied/party a lot seem to have the same expiration date at around 50 lately.  [2] Personally, I love coke from the first line.  Which is why I only took it a few times over a ten year span knowing I'd become addicted.  [3] I would never think about using it now even if I was younger again.  I'd be scared shitless that it had fentynol in it, and one line would be game over.  P.S. - you're right about vodka being the drinker's drink.....because it's so fucking cheap.

[1]  Pulp Fiction overdose of peace...

[2]  I know what you mean

[3]  #metoo!

asking the best way to come off of meds?

depends on the med.

-- snip --

Holy fuck!   Note to self:  From now on, whenever I start to feel bad about the way I've fucked about with drugs and alcohol in the past, I'm going to come back to your post and remind myself I was an absolute amateur! 

[Taffin]

It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage

I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't

This is very interesting.  So if somebody takes what they think is Tramadol/Ultram (sustained release 100mg) and gets the itches, does that mean the stuff might be adulterated with something else..?  Asking for a friend

[ESFitness]

It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage

I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't

you'd have a seziure. look it up. start going over 300mgs and your seizure risk increases exponentially.

as far as relieving an opioid craving? yes it will. if you have a mild opiate addiction, say to norco or oxy, tramadol will keep you out of withdrawal.

also causes opiate withdrawal, along with ssri/snri withdrawal if you've been on it for longer than 3-4months. 

[ThisisOverload]

This is very interesting.  So if somebody takes what they think is Tramadol/Ultram (sustained release 100mg) and gets the itches, does that mean the stuff might be adulterated with something else..?  Asking for a friend

Tramadol will give you the itch at 100+mg.

Trust me i know.

If you take enough of it, you will get pretty fucked up.

[ESFitness]

tramadol binds to opiate receptors.

tianeptine (which is very much like tramadol) binds to opiate receptors.

loperamide binds to opiate receptors.

saying they're not opioids because they don't give you (in particular) an 'itch' is foolish.

[J. Richards]

vaccinated.... yes..   he had to get his 2nd jab or booster in order to play/tour there....

[Taffin]

you'd have a seziure. look it up. start going over 300mgs and your seizure risk increases exponentially.

as far as relieving an opioid craving? yes it will. if you have a mild opiate addiction, say to norco or oxy, tramadol will keep you out of withdrawal.

also causes opiate withdrawal, along with ssri/snri withdrawal if you've been on it for longer than 3-4months.

Not disagreeing, as I am no expert - but I've always wondered about the dosage/kg(lb) thing regarding any drugs - PEDs, rec, OTC pain-relief, whatever

If someone is 280 and someone else is 140 - who does the 300mg (in this case) apply to?  Is there a 'standard person' metric?  I think lethal dose is calculated in this way, so is optimum dose also calculated like this?

(Yeah I could Google it, but it's more fun on here )

[Taffin]

tramadol binds to opiate receptors.

tianeptine (which is very much like tramadol) binds to opiate receptors.

loperamide binds to opiate receptors.

saying they're not opioids because they don't give you (in particular) an 'itch' is foolish.

In the UK that's an OTC diarrhoea treatment - I've also seen it suggested for withdrawals, and thank to your explanation I now know why.  But God know what kind of constipation that might cause!

[delon]

His son did his dad very proud in the tribute concert at Wembley, the kid is a star