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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2023, 08:59:55 PM »
Amazing.  I posted a link directly to the state AG office where it is plainly written.  Right there.  Words.  English language.  Saying exactly what I posted here.

Then I posted a video of the person - a real "legitimate" person - live, in the flesh, from the real office of the real state where this occurred and who said the exact same thing that those words - in the English language - said, which was the same as I posted.  A live recording of a person speaking English.

And Qoach says it was debunked.  But yet hasn't posted a link to the so called debunking.  Which is an absolute surprise to no one.

How about one of you other Trumpturds jump in and help our little tumbleweed out.  Anyone?  I know someone else out there believes it was debunked too.  Step right up.  Don't leave your guy twisting in the wind like this.

another repeat of what happens on a daily basis here with so many other topics... I feel like we should be getting paid 7 figures to try and educate these people. The fact we're getting nothing out of it makes me question why bother. This is a prime example of why it's a waste of time.

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2023, 09:01:54 PM »
another repeat of what happens on a daily basis here with so many other topics... I feel like we should be getting paid 7 figures to try and educate these people. The fact we're getting nothing out of it makes me question why bother. This is a prime example of why it's a waste of time.

I do it for the tears.

The tears they shed when they whine and cry and lie every day is quite amusing.


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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2023, 05:30:18 AM »
I do it for the tears.

The tears they shed when they whine and cry and lie every day is quite amusing.

You mean the tears from children that you molest ??
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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2023, 11:18:26 AM »
So much for "debunking" it.   When are we going to get a link to that anyway?   ???

Innocent until proven guilty.  Well those video tapes and the signed statement and lies are going to insure that there is no doubt to the guilt.  :)

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Michigan clerk stripped of election duties after being charged for acting as fake elector in 2020

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Michigan+clerk+stripped+of+election+duties+after+being+charged+for+acting+as+fake+elector+in+2020

A town clerk in Michigan will be barred from running any elections after being charged earlier this week by the state attorney general for acting as a fake elector in 2020 for then-President Donald Trump.

On Thursday, the Michigan Bureau of Elections notified Stan Grot, a Republican who has served as the Shelby Township clerk since 2012, that he will be prohibited from administering elections while the charges are pending.

Grot was among the 16 Republicans charged earlier this week by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel for allegedly signing certificates that falsely stated Trump won the state, not Biden. Each of the 16 people face the same eight criminal charges, including forgery and conspiracy to commit election forgery. The most serious charges carry a maximum penalty of 14 years in prison.

In a phone interview with the Associated Press, Grot declined to discuss the charges against him but pledged to adhere to the directive in the letter.

"There’s a request for me to recuse myself from elections until the issue of charges is resolved and I intend to abide by it,” Grot said.

Conducting elections is one of the primary duties of a clerk. Grot is an elected official and will continue in his other roles as township clerk, such as preparing agendas and recording meetings. Shelby Township is a suburb of Detroit and holds a population of close to 80,000.

The letter, provided by the secretary of state’s office, says that while Grot is “innocent until proven guilty,” his alleged role in the fake elector scheme “undermines voter confidence in the integrity of elections.”

Local clerks across the country have faced legal consequences for alleged crimes committed after embracing Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

A former clerk in Colorado, Tina Peters, is awaiting trial after an alleged effort to breach voting system technology that is used across the country following the 2020 election, according to an indictment.

Stephanie Scott, a small-town clerk in Michigan accused of improperly handling voting equipment after casting doubt on Biden’s election victory, was stripped of her election duties in 2021. She was ousted by voters earlier this year.

Grot and others allegedly met inside the Michigan Republican Party headquarters on December 14, 2020. They signed their names to a certificate stating they were the qualified electors for Trump and transmitted the false documents to Congress and the National Archives, according to an affidavit released by Nessel's office Tuesday.

The group includes the head of the Republican National Committee’s chapter in Michigan, Kathy Berden, as well as the former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party, Meshawn Maddock, and Kent Vanderwood, the mayor of a west Michigan city.

The 16 charged individuals are scheduled to appear in an Ingham County district court on August 10 for an arraignment.

In the past, Grot has also served as a county commissioner, county deputy treasurer and assistant secretary of state, according to his Shelby Township biography. He sought the Republican nomination for secretary of state in 2018 before dropping out due to family obligations and “timing and the overall political atmosphere.”
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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2023, 11:54:49 AM »
So much for "debunking" it.   When are we going to get a link to that anyway?   ???

Innocent until proven guilty.  Well those video tapes and the signed statement and lies are going to insure that there is no doubt to the guilt.  :)

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Michigan clerk stripped of election duties after being charged for acting as fake elector in 2020

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Michigan+clerk+stripped+of+election+duties+after+being+charged+for+acting+as+fake+elector+in+2020

A town clerk in Michigan will be barred from running any elections after being charged earlier this week by the state attorney general for acting as a fake elector in 2020 for then-President Donald Trump.

On Thursday, the Michigan Bureau of Elections notified Stan Grot, a Republican who has served as the Shelby Township clerk since 2012, that he will be prohibited from administering elections while the charges are pending.

Grot was among the 16 Republicans charged earlier this week by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel for allegedly signing certificates that falsely stated Trump won the state, not Biden. Each of the 16 people face the same eight criminal charges, including forgery and conspiracy to commit election forgery. The most serious charges carry a maximum penalty of 14 years in prison.

In a phone interview with the Associated Press, Grot declined to discuss the charges against him but pledged to adhere to the directive in the letter.

"There’s a request for me to recuse myself from elections until the issue of charges is resolved and I intend to abide by it,” Grot said.

Conducting elections is one of the primary duties of a clerk. Grot is an elected official and will continue in his other roles as township clerk, such as preparing agendas and recording meetings. Shelby Township is a suburb of Detroit and holds a population of close to 80,000.

The letter, provided by the secretary of state’s office, says that while Grot is “innocent until proven guilty,” his alleged role in the fake elector scheme “undermines voter confidence in the integrity of elections.”

Local clerks across the country have faced legal consequences for alleged crimes committed after embracing Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

A former clerk in Colorado, Tina Peters, is awaiting trial after an alleged effort to breach voting system technology that is used across the country following the 2020 election, according to an indictment.

Stephanie Scott, a small-town clerk in Michigan accused of improperly handling voting equipment after casting doubt on Biden’s election victory, was stripped of her election duties in 2021. She was ousted by voters earlier this year.

Grot and others allegedly met inside the Michigan Republican Party headquarters on December 14, 2020. They signed their names to a certificate stating they were the qualified electors for Trump and transmitted the false documents to Congress and the National Archives, according to an affidavit released by Nessel's office Tuesday.

The group includes the head of the Republican National Committee’s chapter in Michigan, Kathy Berden, as well as the former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party, Meshawn Maddock, and Kent Vanderwood, the mayor of a west Michigan city.

The 16 charged individuals are scheduled to appear in an Ingham County district court on August 10 for an arraignment.

In the past, Grot has also served as a county commissioner, county deputy treasurer and assistant secretary of state, according to his Shelby Township biography. He sought the Republican nomination for secretary of state in 2018 before dropping out due to family obligations and “timing and the overall political atmosphere.”
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Yep..it was. But you go on and keep thinking it’s all legit.

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2023, 12:03:57 PM »
Yep..it was. But you go on and keep thinking it’s all legit.

Still no link to the debunking huh?

It's ok.  We all know it's legit.   You know what else is legit?  That everyone knows you were lying anyway.  Why do you think no other little Trumpturd has tried to help you out and post the debunking themselves?    :D   They don't even want to touch your bullshit either. 

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2023, 12:11:18 PM »
I'm pretty sure the AZ fake elector plot has been "debunked" too.    :D   

I'm sure the fake elector plot from GA has been "debunked" as well.  Even after they all turned on one another.   :D :D :D :D

But really, this isn't election fraud or interference, it's just... well, we heard that little excuse yesterday.  The party of law and order huh?  LOL!!

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Arizona's fake electors aren't the only ones who should be squirming (let's name names)

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Arizona%27s+fake+electors+aren%27t+the+only+ones+who+should+be+squirming+%28let%27s+name+names%29

Fast and furious. That’s how the excuses are flying these days as prosecutors (finally) turn their eye to fake electors.

Here in Arizona, Attorney General Kris Mayes has escalated a probe into the 11 “patriots” who falsely claimed to be duly elected by the state’s voters to cast the state’s electoral votes for Donald Trump.

But they aren’t the only ones who threw in with the scheme to steal Arizona’s vote. (More on that in a minute.)

The faker electors have mostly been mum.
Fake electors said they were 'duly elected'

Their enablers and supporters insist they were merely a backup plan, casting Arizona’s electoral votes for Trump in the event that lawsuits challenging the election were successful.

Yeah, that might work if we were in Pennsylvania or New Mexico, where the Trump electors added that caveat to their votes.

In New Mexico they signed, “on the understanding that it might later be determined that [they] are the duly elected and qualified Electors”.

The Trump electors in Pennsylvania said their votes for Trump should count only “if, as a result of a final non-appealable court order or other proceeding prescribed by law, we are ultimately recognized as being the duly elected and qualified electors”.

But Arizona’s fake electors offered no such hedge. They signed documents simply declaring themselves “duly elected and qualified electors” and casting their votes for the guy who didn’t win.

Yet there they were at Arizona Republican Party headquarters, declaring Trump the winner.

Among them were Arizona Republican Party Chairwoman Kelli Ward, state Sens. Anthony Kern and Jake Hoffman, and Tyler Bowyer, a top executive with Turning Point USA who also sits on the Republican National Committee.

They were following the template set out in Trump attorney John Eastman’s two-page memo, detailing his step-by-step plan for how Arizona and six other states would submit “dual” sets of electors, allowing then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election or at least throw it into Congress, where Republicans could then declare Trump the winner.

Even the Arizona Republican Party’s attorney knew what they were doing was as phony as a $3 bill as he helped Team Trump flesh out the plan.

“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Phoenix attorney Jack Wilenchik wrote in a Dec. 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a Trump adviser who also was working on the plan.

In a follow-up email, Wilenchik wrote that “‘alternative’ votes is probably a better term than ‘fake’ votes.”
Republican lawmakers played their part

Even as the phonies were meeting in Phoenix to cast their non-existent votes for Trump on Dec. 14, 2020, across town a group of Republican legislators were signing a letter to Pence and Congress.

In it they asked, “that the alternate 11 electoral votes be accepted for to Donald J. Trump or to have all electoral votes nullified completely until a full forensic audit can be conducted.”

But there was no audit under way. If nullification was really the goal, then why ask Pence and Congress to accept the phony Trump electors?

Then-Rep. Mark Finchem, one of the state’s loudest stop the stealers, hand carried the lawmakers’ request to Washington on Jan. 5, 2021, putting it into the hands of none other than Rep. Andy Biggs.

Biggs was one of Trump’s strongest acolytes on Capitol Hill.

He, along with Rep. Paul Gosar, attended post-election White House planning sessions to spitball ways to keep Trump in office.
Rep. Biggs wanted more. He didn't get it

In fact, the votes hadn’t even been fully counted when Biggs started pushing the notion of setting aside electors in Arizona and elsewhere.

In a Nov. 6, 2020, text to White House Chief of Staff Mark Mark Meadows, Biggs suggested that state legislatures should appoint electors “in the various states where there’s been shenanigans,” a move he acknowledged would be “highly controversial.”That was a non-starter with Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers.

Another view: Michigan has a roadmap to bust our fake electors

Instead, 29 incoming and outgoing Republican legislators sent their request to Pence and Congress, calling it “A Joint Resolution of the 54th Legislature” and attaching the state seal so it would look official.

On Jan. 5, 2021, Biggs texted Finchem, asking for the letter signed by those legislators — the one urging Congress to accept a Republican slate of presidential electors from Arizona, instead of the Democratic slate chosen by voters.

The next morning, Jan. 6, 2021, Biggs videoconferenced with Bowers, asking if he would sign on and support decertifying Arizona’s electors.Bowers said he wouldn’t.
This was a carefully planned scheme

Biggs and Gosar went forward with the scheme to reject Arizona’s legitimate electors anyway, as did Rep. Debbie Lesko — though the vote, which ultimately failed, had to be delayed a few hours as Trump’s supporters stormed the building.

You begin to understand those reports that Biggs sought a presidential pardon, though he denies it.This wasn’t just 11 rubes who decided on a whim to protest Biden’s win by casting a symbolic electoral vote for Trump.

This was a carefully planned scheme, meticulously coordinated — from the seeds of doubt deeply planted to erode trust in our elections to the fake “electors” who were part of a scheme to steal the vote in Arizona and other swing states to the storming of the Capitol to stop Joe Biden from becoming president.

And certain Arizonans appear to be in on it up to their eyeballs.
Who signed the letter to Congress?

Here are the Republicans who signed the letter urging Pence and Congress to accept the fake electors, along with their status at the time of the signing:

Sen. Kelly Townsend of Mesa, Rep. Bret Roberts of Maricopa, Rep. Kevin Payne of Peoria, Rep. Mark Finchem of Oro Valley, Sen. David Farnsworth of Mesa, Sen. Sonny Borrelli of Lake Havasu City, Rep. Leo Biasiucci, of Lake Havasu City, Rep. Anthony Kern of Glendale, Rep. David Cook of Sierra Vista, Sen. Sylvia Allen of Snowflake, Rep. John Fillmore of Apache Junction, Sen.-elect Nancy Barto of Phoenix, Rep. Travis Grantham of Gilbert, Senate Majority Leader Warren Petersen of Gilbert, Rep. Walter Blackman of Snowflake, Rep. Steve Pierce of Prescott, Rep. Shawnna Bolick of Phoenix, Rep. Tony Rivero of Peoria, Rep. Noel Campbell of Prescott.

Concurring: Sen. David Gowan of Sierra Vista, outgoing Rep. Bob Thorpe of Flagstaff, Rep.-elects Jacqueline Parker of Mesa, Brenda Barton of Payson, Beverly Pingerelli of Peoria, Joseph Chaplik of Scottsdale, Jake Hoffman of Queen Creek, Judy Burges of Sun City West, Quang Nguyen of Prescott Valley and Sen.-elect Wendy Rogers of Flagstaff.
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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2023, 01:24:05 PM »
^^ Translation : You lied


Why not acknowledge your complete bullshit statement about the debunking?  hahaha.  Retard.

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2023, 08:05:35 PM »
https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Cool, sounds like a few other breaking news stories that didn't pan out that you've posted. Having said that, if there is credible evidence that Joe Biden acted illegally, I am all for bringing forth charges. No one should be above the law. Now about the fake elector charges being debunked?

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2023, 09:07:01 AM »
Cool, sounds like a few other breaking news stories that didn't pan out that you've posted. Having said that, if there is credible evidence that Joe Biden acted illegally, I am all for bringing forth charges. No one should be above the law. Now about the fake elector charges being debunked?

Obviously, Qoach can't quite locate the link to those fake elector charges being debunked.  Can't find his reading glasses, phone battery died, internet went down, etc...  quite a few reasons why he may not can provide us with that link.  (Besides it being completely nonexistent.)

Bigger question is why hasn't another Trumpy supporter helped him out?  Surely they have all seen this info that debunked it somewhere.  Yet, they sit by silently while the tumbleweed twists in the wind.  Why is that?  No one else wants to touch a bullshit claim like that?   Or do they just not want to be associated with that level of stupidity.


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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2023, 03:32:13 PM »
hahahaha.... is it too soon to say this was "debunked" too?

But it was supposed to be a "perfect" call.  Perfect racketeering?  One thing for sure, Trumpy sure can't claim it wasn't him on the call now.   :D



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Fulton county prosecutors prepare racketeering charges in Trump inquiry
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Fulton+county+prosecutors+prepare+racketeering+charges+in+Trump+inquiry

The Fulton county district attorney investigating Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in the state of Georgia has developed evidence to charge a sprawling racketeering indictment next month, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Related: Georgia grand jury selected in Trump case over attempt to overturn 2020 defeat

The racketeering statute in Georgia requires prosecutors to show the existence of an “enterprise” – and a pattern of racketeering activity that is predicated on at least two “qualifying” crimes.

In the Trump investigation, the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, has evidence to pursue a racketeering indictment predicated on statutes related to influencing witnesses and computer trespass, the people said.

Willis had previously said she was weighing racketeering charges in her criminal investigation, but the new details about the direction and scope of the case come as prosecutors are expected to seek indictments starting in the first two weeks of August.

The racketeering statute in Georgia is more expansive than its federal counterpart, notably because any attempts to solicit or coerce the qualifying crimes can be included as predicate acts of racketeering activity, even when those crimes cannot be indicted separately.

The specific evidence was not clear, though the charge regarding influencing witnesses could include Trump’s conversations with Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, in which he asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes, the people said – and thereby implicate Trump.

For the computer trespass charge, where prosecutors would have to show that defendants used a computer or network without authority to interfere with a program or data, that would include the breach of voting machines in Coffee county, the two people said.

The breach of voting machines involved a group of Trump operatives – paid by the then Trump lawyer Sidney Powell – accessing the voting machines at the county’s election office and copying sensitive voting system data.

The copied data from the Dominion Voting Systems machines, which are used statewide in Georgia, was then uploaded to a password-protected site from where election deniers could download the materials as part of a misguided effort to prove the 2020 election had been rigged.

Though Coffee county is outside the usual jurisdiction of the Fulton county district attorney’s office, the racketeering statute would allow prosecutors to also charge what the Trump operatives did there by showing it was all aimed towards the goal of corruptly keeping Trump in office.

A spokesperson for Willis did not respond to requests for comment.

The district attorney’s office has spent more than two years investigating whether Trump and his allies interfered in the 2020 election in Georgia, while prosecutors at the federal level are scrutinizing Trump’s efforts to reverse his defeat that culminated in the January 6 Capitol attack.

A special grand jury in Atlanta that heard evidence for roughly seven months recommended charges for more than a dozen people, including the former president himself, its forewoman strongly suggested in interviews, though Willis will have to seek indictments from a regular grand jury.

The grand jury that could decide whether to return an indictment against Trump was seated on 11 July. The selection process was attended by Willis and two prosecutors known to be on the Trump investigation: her deputy district attorney, Will Wooten, and special prosecutor Nathan Wade.

Charges stemming from the Trump investigation are expected to come between the final week of July and the first two weeks of August, the Guardian has previously reported, after Willis told her team to shift to remote work during that period because of security concerns.

The district attorney originally suggested charging decisions were “imminent” in January, but the timetable has been repeatedly delayed after a number of Republicans who acted as fake electors accepted immunity deals as the investigation neared its end.
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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2023, 08:39:18 PM »
hahahaha.... is it too soon to say this was "debunked" too?

But it was supposed to be a "perfect" call.  Perfect racketeering?  One thing for sure, Trumpy sure can't claim it wasn't him on the call now.   :D



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Fulton county prosecutors prepare racketeering charges in Trump inquiry
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Fulton+county+prosecutors+prepare+racketeering+charges+in+Trump+inquiry

The Fulton county district attorney investigating Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in the state of Georgia has developed evidence to charge a sprawling racketeering indictment next month, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Related: Georgia grand jury selected in Trump case over attempt to overturn 2020 defeat

The racketeering statute in Georgia requires prosecutors to show the existence of an “enterprise” – and a pattern of racketeering activity that is predicated on at least two “qualifying” crimes.

In the Trump investigation, the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, has evidence to pursue a racketeering indictment predicated on statutes related to influencing witnesses and computer trespass, the people said.

Willis had previously said she was weighing racketeering charges in her criminal investigation, but the new details about the direction and scope of the case come as prosecutors are expected to seek indictments starting in the first two weeks of August.

The racketeering statute in Georgia is more expansive than its federal counterpart, notably because any attempts to solicit or coerce the qualifying crimes can be included as predicate acts of racketeering activity, even when those crimes cannot be indicted separately.

The specific evidence was not clear, though the charge regarding influencing witnesses could include Trump’s conversations with Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, in which he asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes, the people said – and thereby implicate Trump.

For the computer trespass charge, where prosecutors would have to show that defendants used a computer or network without authority to interfere with a program or data, that would include the breach of voting machines in Coffee county, the two people said.

The breach of voting machines involved a group of Trump operatives – paid by the then Trump lawyer Sidney Powell – accessing the voting machines at the county’s election office and copying sensitive voting system data.

The copied data from the Dominion Voting Systems machines, which are used statewide in Georgia, was then uploaded to a password-protected site from where election deniers could download the materials as part of a misguided effort to prove the 2020 election had been rigged.

Though Coffee county is outside the usual jurisdiction of the Fulton county district attorney’s office, the racketeering statute would allow prosecutors to also charge what the Trump operatives did there by showing it was all aimed towards the goal of corruptly keeping Trump in office.

A spokesperson for Willis did not respond to requests for comment.

The district attorney’s office has spent more than two years investigating whether Trump and his allies interfered in the 2020 election in Georgia, while prosecutors at the federal level are scrutinizing Trump’s efforts to reverse his defeat that culminated in the January 6 Capitol attack.

A special grand jury in Atlanta that heard evidence for roughly seven months recommended charges for more than a dozen people, including the former president himself, its forewoman strongly suggested in interviews, though Willis will have to seek indictments from a regular grand jury.

The grand jury that could decide whether to return an indictment against Trump was seated on 11 July. The selection process was attended by Willis and two prosecutors known to be on the Trump investigation: her deputy district attorney, Will Wooten, and special prosecutor Nathan Wade.

Charges stemming from the Trump investigation are expected to come between the final week of July and the first two weeks of August, the Guardian has previously reported, after Willis told her team to shift to remote work during that period because of security concerns.

The district attorney originally suggested charging decisions were “imminent” in January, but the timetable has been repeatedly delayed after a number of Republicans who acted as fake electors accepted immunity deals as the investigation neared its end.
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It's mind boggling Trump supporters, especially the evangelicals, don't realize just how inappropriate and obviously likely illegal it was for Trump to tell him that. Putting illegal aside... can anyone really argue that wasn't unethical?

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2023, 08:44:24 PM »
It's mind boggling Trump supporters, especially the evangelicals, don't realize just how inappropriate and obviously likely illegal it was for Trump to tell him that. Putting illegal aside... can anyone really argue that wasn't unethical?

Unethical?  It was "perfect".  Well, mostly.  But totally debunked you know.  The entire phone call = debunked.  I read it here on Getbig.   ;)

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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2023, 08:08:15 AM »
haahahhaa.   So much "debunking" that there isn't even any evidence of it.

What there is evidence of, are the videos, signatures, and bragging that these morons did themselves.  Real smart.  (not really.)  Funny how the Trumpturds on here constantly whine about election fraud but here yet is... right in front of their eyes and all we hear from them are crickets.   :'(

Has there ever been a mass felony documented by the criminals so well?

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11 Republicans affirmed Donald Trump won in Arizona. What to know about the fake electors

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=11+Republicans+affirmed+Donald+Trump+won+in+Arizona.+What+to+know+about+the+fake+electors

They convened at the Arizona Republican Party headquarters two weeks before Christmas in 2020 and put their names to a lie.

Eleven top party officials, lawmakers and candidates avowed they were the state's "duly elected and qualified electors" and cast their votes for then-President Donald Trump.

None of it was true.

Electors in Arizona are required by law to follow the will of the people. In 2020, legitimate electors designated by the Democratic Party cast their votes for Joe Biden, who had won Arizona by a 10,457-vote margin.

The 11 Republicans weren't qualified electors for the 2020 election, Trump didn't win Arizona, and their votes were not official. They celebrated anyway, immortalizing the moment in a Twitter video.

In all, 84 people — including elected officials, candidates, former officeholders and Republican party leaders — from groups in seven swing states falsely claimed to be alternate electors in a coordinated plot to keep Trump in office.

Jump ahead two years. Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes has launched an investigation into the state's fake electors, after similar probes by federal and state prosecutors in Nevada, Georgia and Michigan.

And the 11 Arizonans who applauded eagerly at the time are unwilling to talk about their decisions, declining interview requests, hanging up on calls and retreating from questions.

Here is what you need to know about the GOP's slate of fake electors.
Tyler Bowyer

Bowyer, 37, is the chief operating officer at Turning Point USA, a nonprofit that advocates for conservative politics on high school, college and university campuses.

Bowyer's biography on Turning Point's website touts his "strong desire to combat Marxist-Leninist philosophy from entering the American political mainstream." He describes himself as a seventh-generation Arizonan.

Republican Gov. Jan Brewer appointed Bowyer as a student regent on the Arizona Board of Regents in 2011. He has worked for the Republican National Committee and served as chairman of the Maricopa County Republican Party from 2015-2017.

In July 2015, Bowyer helped to convene a rally at the Phoenix Convention Center that served as an early national sign of the future president's appeal.

Bowyer has declined recent interview requests about the electors. In 2022, he told The Arizona Republic he didn’t know “all the details and facts” but emphasized his role as an elector.

“I was an elector − I want to make sure we’re clear here − I was an elector for the Republican Party.”


Nancy Cottle

Nancy Cottle, 71, of Mesa, chaired the Arizona Trump electors.

Cottle was subpoenaed by House Select Committee investigating the riot at the U.S. Capitol for her "role and participation in the purported slate of electors casting votes for Donald Trump and, to the extent relevant, your role in the events of January 6, 2021.”

Cottle, has served on the Arizona GOP Executive Committee and the Maricopa County Republicans Committee. She led the Pledge of Allegiance at a Jan. 15, 2022,Trump rally in Florence, ending with the rallying cry, "Let's Go Brandon."

She describes herself on Twitter as a "political junkie" and an "ultra MAGA." Her LinkedIn page lists her as a "strong consulting professional" with a background in business planning. Cottle is the owner of The Branded Image.

She has a master's degree in operational management from the University of Phoenix and a bachelor's in health, physical education and speech from Kent State University, according to her bio.

Cottle has not responded to multiple interview requests.

State Sen. Jake Hoffman

State Sen. Jake Hoffman, R-Queen Creek, chairs the Legislature's conservative Freedom Caucus.

On Jan. 5, 2021, Hoffman sent a letter to Vice President Mike Pence asking him not to accept the state's official electoral votes. Although Hoffman had not yet taken office, the letter was sent on official state letterhead and had a return address of the state Capitol.

Hoffman has proposed and supported so-called election integrity bills, including one that would trigger an automatic redo of an election in which voters had to wait in line more than 90 minutes and another to break up Maricopa County into four counties. Both of those failed.

Hoffman, 38, is the married father of five, according to online biographies. He previously served on the Higley School Board and the Queen Creek Town Council. He was a communications director with Turning Point USA and runs several conservative digital marketing companies.

In 2020, a company he operated called Rally Forge was accused of operating a troll farm for a Turning Point affiliate and was banned from Facebook and suspended from Twitter. The company paid teens to set up bogus accounts and flood social media with posts sowing distrust in mail-in ballots and downplaying COVID-19.


Another of Hoffman's companies, 1Ten, received $2.1 million from a political action committee that used spoof donors to boost the campaign of failed gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake. The owners of California businesses who were listed as the source of funds said they had never heard of the PAC − or Lake.

Hoffman has avoided questions about the fake electors. In a brief interview outside the Capitol in 2022, he told The Arizona Republic electors wanted to provide Congress and Pence with "dueling opinions" before walking away.

He dodged questions again in June. When asked about investigations, Hoffman retreated to a members-only stairwell at The Capitol.

State Sen. Anthony Kern

State Sen. Anthony Kern, R-Glendale, is an ardent Trump supporter who spoke at "Stop the Steal" rallies and was at the U.S. Capitol when it was sacked by rioters. He has given conflicting accounts about where he was that day, but photos and videos show him on the Capitol steps.

Kern, 61, predicted in speeches he gave before the riot that Jan. 6 would be a "big day," frothing up crowds by asking if this was "a revolution." He told The Republic in 2022 what happened at the Capitol was a partisan hoax.


Kern in 2005 was hired as a civilian code enforcement officer for The El Mirage Police Department. He was fired in 2014 for lying to a supervisor after a string of disciplinary problems. The department also put Kern on the Brady list, a database of officers accused of dishonesty.

Kern was elected to Arizona's House of Representatives in 2015. He falsely claimed on financial disclosure forms that he was a certified law enforcement officer. In 2019, he tried to pass a law to overhaul the Brady List without acknowledging he would directly benefit by getting his name removed. He lost his seat in the 2020 election.

After swearing an oath of fealty to Trump in 2020, Kern was tapped to help count and inspect ballots during the Arizona Senate's "audit" of Maricopa County election results led by Cyber Ninjas. Contractors ousted Kern after several days later because of "optics."

Kern has repeatedly declined to discuss his role as a Trump elector. During a June interview, he brushed off questions and said he didn't need a lawyer.

Only people who have done something wrong or had something to hide would need to hire a lawyer, he said.

Jim Lamon

Jim Lamon ran for U.S. Senate in 2022 and lost in the Republican primary.

Lamon, 67, of Paradise Valley, is married with two children. He grew up on a farm in Alabama before joining the U.S. Army. He was stationed in Germany in the Cold War and served as an airborne officer.

Lamon earned a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from the University of Alabama in 1979.

He describes himself on LinkedIn as a Fortune 500 executive. Lamon is the founder of Scottsdale-based Depcom Power, a solar engineering and construction company that employed 1,600 across the nation when he sold it.

Before entering politics, Lamon was known as a reliable donor to Republican causes and candidates, including Trump. He was a behind-the-scenes player in the Arizona Senate's "audit" and helped bankroll security.

Lamon made immigration and border security a cornerstone of his platform and sought to restore Trump-era policies that returned asylum seekers to Mexico while awaiting court hearings. He was also critical of the Biden Administration's COVID-19 relief package.

Despite pouring millions of his own money into his campaign, Lamon lost to Republican challenger Blake Masters, who was defeated by Democrat Mark Kelly.

Lamon has not responded to interview requests about the electors. In 2022, while he was running for Senate, he appeared on KTVK-TV’s “Politics Unplugged” and claimed the electors were part of a backup plan in case Trump succeeded in his election fraud challenges.

“The Republican electors put forth a valid document that said, in the event that the election certification was overturned, there would be no excuse not to recognize those electors,” Lamon said.

The signed document, however, had no such proviso.


Robert Montgomery

Robert Montgomery is the former chair of the Cochise County Republican Committee. He was unseated by a surprise challenger in December and resigned from the committee in response.

Montgomery, 72, of Hereford, pushed for hand counts of votes as committee chair and before the 2022 election told Cochise County Supervisors they should ignore warnings about it from then-Secretary of State Katie Hobbs.

He told the supervisors to throw Hobbs' letter “in the bucket somewhere” and argued a full hand-count would be “easy to do,” according to a report by Votebeat.

Montgomery said former State Rep. Mark Finchem − an election denier and conspiracy theorist − would support hand counts if he won his bid for secretary of state. Finchem lost in a landslide to his Democratic challenger.

The Cochise County Board of Supervisors in September appointed Montgomery to the Palominas Fire District board. The decision came despite protests from some Sierra Vista residents who said Montgomery's role as a fake elector should disqualify him. They complained Montgomery should not be rewarded for trying to overturn the election.

He is also on the county's planning and zoning commission.

Montgomery has repeatedly declined to discuss his role as a fake elector. He did not respond to messages left at his home or at the fire district in July.
Samuel Moorhead

Samuel Moorhead is the elected vice president of the Gila County Community College District governing board, which he joined in 2012.

He was serving as the second vice chair of the Gila County Republican Party when he signed as a Trump elector.

According to online biographies, Moorhead, 78, of Globe, is married and has four children and five grandchildren. He was born in Pennsylvania and served as a Navy corpsman for 14 years, doing multiple tours in Vietnam.

Moorhead has a bachelor's degree in education from Edinboro State University in Pennsylvania and earned a master's degree in special education and teaching from New Mexico State University in 1999. He is listed as a consultant on his LinkedIn page.

He taught at schools in New Mexico and Arizona. Moorhead also was a commercial driver for Werner Enterprises until his retirement in 2007.

Moorhead has not responded to calls and messages about his role as a Trump elector.
Lorraine Pellegrino

Loraine Pellegrino, 65, of Phoenix, was secretary for the Arizona Trump electors.

Pellegrino is one of four electors subpoenaed by House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

She has an extensive background in Arizona Republican politics. Pellegrino is past president of the Arizona Federation of Republican Women and is a founding member of the Ahwatukee Republican Women's Club.

Her online biography highlights her election as a delegate to Republican National Committee conventions in 2012, 2016 and 2020. She has served three terms on the Arizona GOP Executive Committee. She lists the recruitment of Republican women to run for office as one of her personal achievements.

Pellegrino has lived in Arizona for 25 years. She was born and raised in Connecticut and has a bachelor's degree in media studies from Sacred Heart University. She is married and has one son.

Pellegrino in a January 2022 interview said the electors met as a contingency “in case there was a change in the decision here in the state." She couldn't say how the plan came together but bristled at the characterization of the group as "alternate" electors.

“We were electors for Trump and we were hoping things would change,” she said. “Just in case, we signed our paperwork to be ready in the event that something was overturned.”

Pellegrino told The Republic in May 2022 nothing had come of subpoenas from the Jan. 6 committee.

Pellegrino hung up when contacted in July about the attorney general's investigation.
Greg Safsten

Greg Safsten was executive director of the Arizona Republican Party when he signed as a Trump elector.

Safsten, 35, of Gilbert, was hired as a campaign consultant in 2022 by U.S. Senate candidate Blake Masters, who was defeated in the general election. He had previously worked as an adviser and director for Rep. Andy Biggs and Rep. Matt Salmon.

According to his Legistorm biography, Safsten got his start in 2012 as a field director for Salmon's campaign and was later hired as his legislative assistant. In 2016, he went to work for the Biggs campaign and ultimately rose to the position of deputy chief of staff.

Police and court records show in 2022 he was arrested and pleaded guilty to extreme DUI.


According to a March 2022, search warrant affidavit filed in Maricopa County Superior Court, a Gilbert police officer saw Safsten speed away from a Taco Bell restaurant "losing control of his vehicle as it fishtailed" and nearly collided with another vehicle.


The officer said Safsten kept going when he initially tried to pull him over, driving at a high rate of speed and weaving between lanes until finally pulling over about a half-mile later. He failed a field sobriety test, records show.


Safsten was fined and sentenced in January to 60 months' probation, records show.

Safsten's LinkedIn page has no employment information after August 2022. He bills himself as a "seasoned public relations, communications, public policy & political executive."

"I work to be the leader and teammate I'd want on my own team," he writes on his page. "Having formed and led teams in various conditions for over a dozen years, I know what it takes to win."

Safsten was born and raised in Mesa. He attended Mountain View High School and obtained a bachelor's degree in international studies from Arizona State University in 2007. He also studied clinical laboratory science at Weber State University in Utah.

Safsten did not respond to an interview request.
Kelli Ward

Kelli Ward is the past chair of the Arizona GOP. She helped to organize the signing of the fake electors, sat at the head of the table during the "signing" video and boasted about the moment on Twitter.

"Oh, yes we did!" Ward wrote in a Dec. 14, 2020 post. "We are the electors who represent the legal voters of Arizona! #Trump2020 #MAGA."

Ward, 54, of Lake Havasu City, was among those subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and the Department of Justice over the slate of fake electors. Her attorney said in 2022 Ward was engaging in First Amendment-protected activity.

In testifying before the Jan. 6 committee, Ward exercised her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 200 times.

Ward is an osteopathic physician turned politician. She was elected to the Arizona Senate in 2013. She resigned to go after John McCain's U.S. Senate seat in 2016, losing in the Republican primary, 39% to McCain's 51%. She tried again for U.S. Senate in 2018 and lost in the Republican primary to Martha McSally.

Ward became party chair in 2019 and after the 2020 election became one of Trump's most ardent supporters, launching several unsuccessful lawsuits to overturn Arizona's election.

Ward promoted various voter fraud conspiracies and championed the Arizona Senate's "audit," delivering frequent YouTube updates as the ballot count unfolded, which turned into a fundraising bonanza for the party's candidates and causes.

The party took in more cash during the first four months of 2021 than it had during full election cycles.

Ward is married and has three children. She was born in West Virginia. She earned a bachelor's degree in psychology from Duke University and a doctorate from West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine. She has a master's degree in public health from A.T. Still University, according to her legislative biography.

She practiced emergency medicine in Lake Havasu City and Kingman.

Ward was replaced as party chair in 2023. She and her husband announced on YouTube they bought a 44-foot catamaran and were starting a charter business called Sail American Honey.

Ward has not responded to interview requests about the electors.

Michael Ward

Michael Ward is Kelli Ward's husband and a GOP activist. He, too, has been subpoenaed by the Department of Justice for his role as a Trump elector.

Ward, 58, of Lake Havasu City, is an emergency physician and is the state air surgeon in the Arizona Air National Guard, according to his LinkedIn page. He formerly worked at Havasu Regional Medical Center.

Ward first enlisted in the US Air Force in 1983 and began his military medical career. He joined the reserves and was commissioned to active duty in 1992, according to a listing on America's Mighty Warriors, a veteran's support group.

Ward earned a doctorate in osteopathic medicine in 1995 from A.T. Still University, where he met Kelli, according to her biography. They were married in 1995. Ward served as his wife's campaign manager from 2011-2015.

He was accused in 2019 of spitting in the eye of one of his wife's former volunteers. Police records indicate the alleged incident happened at the Arizona Republican Party's general election night gala in Paradise Valley.


The former volunteer said Michael Ward was angry because the volunteer was supporting Kelli Ward's political opponent, Martha McSally, according to police reports. Michael Ward emailed the Paradise Valley police and denied the allegations. He told police his accuser was an attention seeker and known storyteller.

Michael Ward also had a reputation for confronting people on his wife's behalf. He was accused of bullying a staffer of Sen. John McCain at a Tea Party event in 2016. The moment was captured on video.

Michael Ward did not respond to an interview request about the attorney general's investigation into the Trump electors.

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2023, 02:01:19 PM »
Why are all the Trumpturds avoiding the subject?   :)

Don't they want to discuss real election interference/fraud?

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2023, 08:18:01 AM »
Why are all the Trumpturds avoiding the subject?   :)

Don't they want to discuss real election interference/fraud?

Trumpturds? you speak like a child or in your case you try and fit in with them.
 this is not one of your grooming sites  ::)
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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2023, 02:22:34 PM »
Why are all the Trumpturds avoiding the subject?   :)

Don't they want to discuss real election interference/fraud?

Election fraud/interference doesn't matter when facts are behind it?    :'(

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Re: Well this snowball just kicked off.
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2023, 02:22:48 PM »
Election fraud/interference doesn't matter when facts are behind it?    :'(

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