Author Topic: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.  (Read 10454 times)

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 34971
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2023, 03:09:28 PM »
throwing up is caused by blood rushing away from the stomach because its needed quickly elsewhere in the body

throwing up while training has nothing to do with intensity
Its anerobic training too fast

oldtimer1

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18133
  • Getbig!
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2023, 04:39:30 PM »
I enjoyed Max Rep's articles in the magazines. Rest in peace. He actually trained with the best back in the day like Danny  Padilla and many others. He was in the gym watching other champs train and it was fantastic that he wrote about what they did. Max was a big proponent of  training with volume and leaving some in the tank till the last set. I remember when he wrote Danny would do five sets per exercise generally using 12 reps according to Max. Danny used the same weight for all five sets. He said in effect the first set he could get say 20 reps if he went to failure but stopped at 12 reps.  The second set after a short rest was again 12 reps but he could have maxed out at maybe 15.  Short rest he did his third set. He again got 12 reps but could have got 13 and so on. His final set he fails at 8 reps trying to get to 12.

bigbychoices

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 655
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2023, 05:38:22 AM »
       

                                  Well said oldtimer1. That is how the pros trained back in the day exactly. Only most of them did it in a pyramid type set. (Adding weight each set)  When I was a kid I was so confused about training. Weiders mags were the only source of info. I heard all this shit about going to failure, the pain zone, adding weight each time you hit ten etc.  I thought you had to hit failure on each set.  lol.  I wish people would just get the truth. Like oldtimer1 said . Only hit failure on last set.  I learned the truth after going to Venice and seeing the truth. I actually got to know some pros over the years. They do not train like  what the mags say.  Smh. They try to portray them as almost "super human" lmao. I tried to train like I THOUGHT they did . Over trained after a few weeks lol. After I figured out the right way that's when I started making good progress and was never drained and hurting so much. Volume ( up to a point) is in fact the key to progress and adding weight accordingly . The biggest joke were the Mentzer's . Them and Arthur Jones. Jones was smart, his machines are awesome and on paper what him and Mentzer's said sounds right and makes sense. Fry the muscle and it will grow.  That is true but only up to  a point.
                                               All this crap about counting macros, weighing food,  the "anabolic window"  and other stuff is basically more attempts to sell people supplements and other things.  Look at the guys in the 70's and 80's. Did they do any of that? NO.  They trained hard ( but not too hard) and often and ate when they could. Some only once a day. Most just 3 or 4 times. And they look miles and miles better than these bloated slobs now days.  So much crazy wrong information out there on something that is so basic. Train hard. eat and rest. Gain weight lift heavier( each muscle group 2 times a week) and eat more. Lose weight train a bit lighter ( and up to 6 times a week) do some fat burning exercise ( slow and longer periods NOT cardio!! That burns a lot of muscle)  and cut out carbs and keep calories low.

                                                           

Humble Narcissist

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 32353
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2023, 12:50:57 AM »
;D sounds like steve m training principles.
I love how he uses his steroided up physique for the cover of a book about not needing steroids. ::)

Rmj11

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1857
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2023, 07:38:06 AM »
I love how he uses his steroided up physique for the cover of a book about not needing steroids. ::)

And the book itself is nothing special, it isn't anything radical or you haven't heard before. Nothing in it about doing 100 sets a bodypart that Steve used to claim he did. Intensity or insanity my ass.

Rmj11

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1857
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2023, 07:40:00 AM »
I enjoyed Max Rep's articles in the magazines. Rest in peace. He actually trained with the best back in the day like Danny  Padilla and many others. He was in the gym watching other champs train and it was fantastic that he wrote about what they did. Max was a big proponent of  training with volume and leaving some in the tank till the last set. I remember when he wrote Danny would do five sets per exercise generally using 12 reps according to Max. Danny used the same weight for all five sets. He said in effect the first set he could get say 20 reps if he went to failure but stopped at 12 reps.  The second set after a short rest was again 12 reps but he could have maxed out at maybe 15.  Short rest he did his third set. He again got 12 reps but could have got 13 and so on. His final set he fails at 8 reps trying to get to 12.

Exactly how I train. 4 to 6 sets of an exercise with relatively short rest periods for 8 to 12 reps.

oldschoolfan

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6115
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2023, 08:33:59 AM »
Mike also ended up with a shit bag and thus ended his career

Taffin

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 17025
  • "From the pucha to the culo..."
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2023, 04:58:39 PM »
Mike also ended up with a shit bag and thus ended his career

Hmm.. so he did... I wonder what the incidence of that sort of thing is in the general population?  Because I'm thinking there was him, then John Meadows, and then more recently Justin Compton

Probably no link, but your post just made me wonder 🤔






Edit:  if you respond, I bet it's along the lines of 'it was all the cawk they took!'  ;D  I enjoy the brutal scatology of a lot of your posts - not sure I've told you that before 8)
T

Humble Narcissist

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 32353
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2023, 12:19:05 AM »
And the book itself is nothing special, it isn't anything radical or you haven't heard before. Nothing in it about doing 100 sets a bodypart that Steve used to claim he did. Intensity or insanity my ass.
I know, I read it and was expecting some crazy training programs and was very disappointed. It was beginner level shit and nothing special at all.

Rmj11

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1857
Re: Temporary Insanity... Mike Francois... A Must Read.
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2023, 05:19:50 AM »
       

                                  Well said oldtimer1. That is how the pros trained back in the day exactly. Only most of them did it in a pyramid type set. (Adding weight each set)  When I was a kid I was so confused about training. Weiders mags were the only source of info. I heard all this shit about going to failure, the pain zone, adding weight each time you hit ten etc.  I thought you had to hit failure on each set.  lol.  I wish people would just get the truth. Like oldtimer1 said . Only hit failure on last set.  I learned the truth after going to Venice and seeing the truth. I actually got to know some pros over the years. They do not train like  what the mags say.  Smh. They try to portray them as almost "super human" lmao. I tried to train like I THOUGHT they did . Over trained after a few weeks lol. After I figured out the right way that's when I started making good progress and was never drained and hurting so much. Volume ( up to a point) is in fact the key to progress and adding weight accordingly . The biggest joke were the Mentzer's . Them and Arthur Jones. Jones was smart, his machines are awesome and on paper what him and Mentzer's said sounds right and makes sense. Fry the muscle and it will grow.  That is true but only up to  a point.
                                               All this crap about counting macros, weighing food,  the "anabolic window"  and other stuff is basically more attempts to sell people supplements and other things.  Look at the guys in the 70's and 80's. Did they do any of that? NO.  They trained hard ( but not too hard) and often and ate when they could. Some only once a day. Most just 3 or 4 times. And they look miles and miles better than these bloated slobs now days.  So much crazy wrong information out there on something that is so basic. Train hard. eat and rest. Gain weight lift heavier( each muscle group 2 times a week) and eat more. Lose weight train a bit lighter ( and up to 6 times a week) do some fat burning exercise ( slow and longer periods NOT cardio!! That burns a lot of muscle)  and cut out carbs and keep calories low.

                                                           

So true. 5 sets of 10 is how Arnold trained. This was confirmed by Frank Zane also. Arnold usually did 10 reps on each exercise. He would go up in weight on each set, the first set being the warm up and the last set the hardest. John Balik also trained with Arnold and said the same thing. Arnold would do a warm up set at 50 to 60 % of his top weight then go up in weight at 70% of top weight, the next set is at 80% of top weight, the next at 90% then the last set at 100% top weight. Trying to get 10 reps on each set. So the intensity gradually increases over 5 sets. That's how he did it and that's how most of the 70's era guys trained. Only the last set of an exercise is that hardest set. They did not go all out on every set of every exercise as some may have you believe. They trained hard but not that hard. This is how most should be training too. It works.

If you dont like pyramiding up in weight then use straight sets using the same weight across each set. Use a weight that you would fail at 15 reps then do the following

Set 1 10 reps could get 15 but stop at 10
Set 2 10 reps could get 13 or 14 reps but stop at 10
Set 3 10 reps could get 11 or 12 reps, fatigue is kicking in now
Set 4 just managed 10 reps close to failure
Set 5 as many reps as possible maybe 8, can finish off with a drop set if needed.

Rest should be 60 to 90 seconds between sets.