Kurt havens when to increase dose

[dj181]

Lots of good info here

I completely agree that you shouldn't increase calories more than 200-250 at a time

And with the dose increase 100 mgs minimum

They also say cap bodyfat @ 12-13% and Hatfield says can it @ 10%

I say cap it @ 7% which is what I do

He also said many pros cruise on 2 grams yep that's cruise not blast

He said they blast 4+ grams

Van b would definitely agree with this me thinks

[wes]

[a_pupil]

The average getbigger knows more about gear than these random charlatans you post.

[dj181]

The average getbigger knows more about gear than these random charlatans you post.

Hahahaha

It's good to get more knowledge but the key is finding out what works best for you

I completely agree with keeping your bodyfat low all the time and increasing calories slightly like 200-250 then trying it out and if you lay down more fat cut it back

Some guys are genetic freaks and when they eat more calories almost all of.them go to muscle but those guys are  very rare

But who the hell wants to cruise on 2 grams or blast 4+ grams?

None of this shit it s healthy but that right there is very unhealthy plus forcing down all that food and weighing 260+

Christian Demay and early strydom here all bout 225 but they were all over 6 foot 1 or 2

But none of the classic BB now looks like them wonder why?

[irishdave]

Hahahaha

It's good to get more knowledge but the key is finding out what works best for you

I completely agree with keeping your bodyfat low all the time and increasing calories slightly like 200-250 then trying it out and if you lay down more fat cut it back

Some guys are genetic freaks and when they eat more calories almost all of.them go to muscle but those guys are  very rare

But who the hell wants to cruise on 2 grams or blast 4+ grams?

None of this shit it s healthy but that right there is very unhealthy plus forcing down all that food and weighing 260+

Christian Demay and early strydom here all bout 225 but they were all over 6 foot 1 or 2

But none of the classic BB now looks like them wonder why?

Fuck off you weird bastard we have enough freaks

[dj181]

Fuck off you weird bastard we have enough freaks

Yep I'm a genetic freak as far as being highly conditioned goes

Pity you can't even break 12% bodyfat

[Van_Bilderass]

Didn't watch as per usual but this adding just 200 calories per day removes almost everyone since most are not serious enough to track calories so closely. But if you can do it, basically follow a contest diet year round, I guess it's great.

I would say that following that strict a diet, and measuring BF level really closely, is much harder that shooting "a lot of drugs."
But it's not in the same ballpark imo. Sure we all balk at frequent injections but if you can do the diet the drug taking is an afterthought. IMO. I know bhank said bbers limit themselves to 3ml a day, which limit their absolute dosages. But I know many take more, like a guy I know who sometimes did five 5ml shots in one sitting. And then you have the Synthol where they might use 10ml of just that per day.

That dosage sounds dangerous but if you use the types of drugs they take today, the morre forgiving ones like test, it isn't hat dangerous, certainly not in the short run.
What's critical is monitoring you blood pressure at all times. Just by doing that you probably eliminate 80 or 90% of the risk with steroids. Keep it say 120/80 with drugs and any lifestyle modifications. You reduce heart effects (not eliminate), you eliminate to a large degree the kidney stress. Anyone disagree? Then you track you other important blood parameters as well, do the heart scans as well.

This is what my generation didn't do, and we're paying for it. It was also made harder in that doctors didn't want to monitor steroid users or order the lab tests.

[BB]

They also say cap bodyfat @ 12-13% and Hatfield says can it @ 10%

I say cap it @ 7% which is what I do

Since I saw it the other day, here's another data point from 28ish years ago -

"
DDuchaine
unread,
Jul 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM
to
The whole point of my (upcoming and very late and don't ask-me-when)
BODYOPUS diet book is to show how to bring normal-fat people to an optimal
fat percentage. A diet book for people who are not fat. My guidelines
for a starting off point is: Men up to 15%. Women about 20%. My ideal new
fat % from working with athletes, models, etc., etc. is about 6% for men
and between 10% to 12% for women. These percentages are the lowest year
around fat % that maintain good health. It's best to keep bodyfat low
especially when young as it keeps the skin tight. Losing the extra fat in
middle age doesn't address the too-loose skin, especially in women. As to
Cory Everson, well, even though Cory has gone to college, I have no idea
what she studied, because she certainly comes across as an airhead and it
appears to be not an act, but genuine. She always was a talking puppet
for her husband Jeff, who is no towering intellect either.
".

[dj181]

Didn't watch as per usual but this adding just 200 calories per day removes almost everyone since most are not serious enough to track calories so closely. But if you can do it, basically follow a contest diet year round, I guess it's great.

I would say that following that strict a diet, and measuring BF level really closely, is much harder that shooting "a lot of drugs."
But it's not in the same ballpark imo. Sure we all balk at frequent injections but if you can do the diet the drug taking is an afterthought. IMO. I know bhank said bbers limit themselves to 3ml a day, which limit their absolute dosages. But I know many take more, like a guy I know who sometimes did five 5ml shots in one sitting. And then you have the Synthol where they might use 10ml of just that per day.

That dosage sounds dangerous but if you use the types of drugs they take today, the morre forgiving ones like test, it isn't hat dangerous, certainly not in the short run.
What's critical is monitoring you blood pressure at all times. Just by doing that you probably eliminate 80 or 90% of the risk with steroids. Keep it say 120/80 with drugs and any lifestyle modifications. You reduce heart effects (not eliminate), you eliminate to a large degree the kidney stress. Anyone disagree? Then you track you other important blood parameters as well, do the heart scans as well.

This is what my generation didn't do, and we're paying for it. It was also made harder in that doctors didn't want to monitor steroid users or order the lab tests.

I can monitor my calories that closely it's very easy if you eat the same thing every fucking day and even if you eat say McDonald's just calculate the calories from it and subtract those calories from other meals you eat

I eat McDonald's every 5 days after my push session

I'm actually gonna lower my gear intake from 540 to 400 after I finish my dbol in less than one week and I bet I will keep adding muscle as as 400 mgs is a good amount for someone my size/weight

[dj181]

Since I saw it the other day, here's another data point from 28ish years ago -

"
DDuchaine
unread,
Jul 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM
to
The whole point of my (upcoming and very late and don't ask-me-when)
BODYOPUS diet book is to show how to bring normal-fat people to an optimal
fat percentage. A diet book for people who are not fat. My guidelines
for a starting off point is: Men up to 15%. Women about 20%. My ideal new
fat % from working with athletes, models, etc., etc. is about 6% for men
and between 10% to 12% for women. These percentages are the lowest year
around fat % that maintain good health. It's best to keep bodyfat low
especially when young as it keeps the skin tight. Losing the extra fat in
middle age doesn't address the too-loose skin, especially in women. As to
Cory Everson, well, even though Cory has gone to college, I have no idea
what she studied, because she certainly comes across as an airhead and it
appears to be not an act, but genuine. She always was a talking puppet
for her husband Jeff, who is no towering intellect either.
".

Thanks for that

Yep I can hold 5-6% pretty easily but doubt I could hold 3% so easily 😄😄😄