Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights

[Necrosis]

No type 2 diabetes.  My fasting glucose, fasting insulin, A1C, and HOMA-IR are all normal to optimal.

Why are you doing carnivore?

[loco]

Why are you doing carnivore?

I started to help prevent or delay dementia, which runs in my family.  I've stuck with it consistently for 6 years because of the multitude of health benefits I've discovered and enjoyed while eating this way, and because it's freaking delicious.  I love it.

[Zillotch]

I have one shot as I had to for work.

I understand.

Rookie numbers... 

what about you, slick… what are your numbers looking like?

[Necrosis]

I started to help prevent or delay dementia, which runs in my family.  I've stuck with it consistently for 6 years because of the multitude of health benefits I've discovered and enjoyed while eating this way, and because it's freaking delicious.  I love it.

are you a lean mass hyperresponder?

what is your LDL like?

I am thinking about doing it as I love the way I feel on keto.

[loco]

are you a lean mass hyperresponder?

I don't believe my LDL is high enough or my Triglycerides low enough to qualify, but as I get leaner my numbers may change to the point I will be considered a lean mass hyper-responder.

what is your LDL like?

My LDL did go up after I started keto/carnivore. It was 181 mg/dL when I checked last year.  It fluctuates up and down by about 10 mg/dL every time I check it.  I believe most lean mass hyper-responders have LDL levels greater than 200 mg/dL.

My Triglycerides dropped down to 64 mg/dL.  My HDL increased to 56 mg/dL.  I reversed hypertension after fighting it for decades.  I lost 34 lbs of excess body fat.  So my overall heart health actually improved despite my increased LDL.

After 5 years of consistent exposure to high LDL levels, I finally did a Coronary Artery Calcium (CAC) test and my score is zero.

After entering my numbers into the American College of Cardiology ASCVD Risk Estimator below, my risk of developing Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease in the next 10 years is less than 4% despite my high LDL.
https://tools.acc.org/ascvd-risk-estimator-plus/#!/calculate/estimate/

My increased LDL is most likely an increase in the proportion of larger, less harmful LDL particles while decreasing the proportion of smaller, dense LDL particles, which are more strongly linked to heart disease.  This is very commonly seen in people who have an increased LDL induced by a keto/carnivore diet.  One of these days I'm going to pay out-of-pocket for a LDL particle size test just to satisfy my curiosity.

I am thinking about doing it as I love the way I feel on keto.

Go for it, only way to find out whether it works for you.

[IroNat]

Here's my labs before and after doing keto/carnivore/low carb.
No bloodwork in 2020.
Lost 25 lbs since starting low carb/carnivore.  I cheat on the weekends.
I seem to be a lean mass hyper-responder from what I've read about it.
67 years old now.
I chart it out like this for reference.

[loco]

Here's my labs before and after doing keto/carnivore/low carb.
No bloodwork in 2020.
Fasting glucose was 88 last time.
I seem to be a lean mass hyper-responder from what I've read about it.
67 years old now.
I chart it out like this for reference.

Impressive!  I wish I had done more blood work before keto/carnivore and tracked it like you have.

[Van_Bilderass]

Here's my labs before and after doing keto/carnivore/low carb.
No bloodwork in 2020.
Fasting glucose was 88 last time.
Lost 25 lbs since starting low carb/carnivore.  I cheat on the weekends.
I seem to be a lean mass hyper-responder from what I've read about it.
67 years old now.
I chart it out like this for reference.

Did you post videos of you training some time here? Someone was lifting outside if I recall...

You're doing the DiPasquale 'Anabolic Diet' 5 days no carb, carb loading for 2 days

[Necrosis]

Here's my labs before and after doing keto/carnivore/low carb.
No bloodwork in 2020.
Fasting glucose was 88 last time.
Lost 25 lbs since starting low carb/carnivore.  I cheat on the weekends.
I seem to be a lean mass hyper-responder from what I've read about it.
67 years old now.
I chart it out like this for reference.

I think the lipid energy model explains the lean mass hyper responder phenotype to a degree, probably all the keto folks but there is something unique among that phenotype going on.

Ketones, namely BHB seem to have a plethora of health benefits, from neurons to gut cells (like do to butyrate activity). The only negative health wise I have seen is that there is a degree of peripheral insulin resistance that occurs, but this also occurs with substantial fasting and it may simply be a shift away from carbs to upregulating things like hormone sensitive lipase.

Only downside I notice is I seem to get a bit flat on keto and definitely look smaller.

[IroNat]

Did you post videos of you training some time here? Someone was lifting outside if I recall...

You're doing the DiPasquale 'Anabolic Diet' 5 days no carb, carb loading for 2 days

No vids for me but I workout in my garage sometimes with the door open. 

[loco]

The only negative health wise I have seen is that there is a degree of peripheral insulin resistance that occurs, but this also occurs with substantial fasting and it may simply be a shift away from carbs to upregulating things like hormone sensitive lipase.

Dr. Ben Bikman, whose research at BYU focuses on the causes and consequences of insulin resistance, says that what you're describing isn't insulin resistance.  Instead, it's temporary glucose intolerance caused by a lack of pre-formed insulin in pancreatic beta cells:

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Only downside I notice is I seem to get a bit flat on keto and definitely look smaller.

This is because of the depletion of glycogen and fluids within muscles.  This too is temporary.  Once your body is fully fat adapted, glycogen stores are restored and muscles look full again.  However, full fat adaptation can take up to six months for some people, and you have to stay consistently on a keto/carnivore diet.

You also have to make sure you don't undereat, which is very easy to do eating this way for many people because protein and fat are so satiating.

And you have to make sure you don't undertrain because of a lack of energy.  You have to consume adequate fat and drink plenty of water and sodium before lifting to increase blood volume and make sure you feel energized. Feeling low energy when training on keto/carnivore is temporary too, until you are fully fat adapted.

[Krankenstein]

I understand.

what about you, slick… what are your numbers looking like?

5 shots a month....thats how a true thong warrior rolls.

[Necrosis]

Dr. Ben Bikman, whose research at BYU focuses on the causes and consequences of insulin resistance, says that what you're describing isn't insulin resistance.  Instead, it's temporary glucose intolerance caused by a lack of pre-formed insulin in pancreatic beta cells:

At 55:28

This is because of the depletion of glycogen and fluids within muscles.  This too is temporary.  Once your body is fully fat adapted, glycogen stores are restored and muscles look full again.  However, full fat adaptation can take up to six months for some people, and you have to stay consistently on a keto/carnivore diet.

You also have to make sure you don't undereat, which is very easy to do eating this way for many people because protein and fat are so satiating.

And you have to make sure you don't undertrain because of a lack of energy.  You have to consume adequate fat and drink plenty of water and sodium before lifting to increase blood volume and make sure you feel energized. Feeling low energy when training on keto/carnivore is temporary too, until you are fully fat adapted.

That is likely true on the insulin resistance issue. It occurs in extended fasting as well, I believe there have been studies examining this and insulin levels (in toto) are normal with carb challenge though. There is a lacuna here though. I would argue that keto is not the same as fasting as protein will stimulate insulin, leucine does etc so there would still be a response, pure fasting is likely a different beast from lack of intake and not being in a fed state.

I have listened to his stuff. Another great guy is nick norwitz he is a phd md from harvard and was one of the authors on the LMHR diet study.

I have probably done it for 6 months or so, there is a degree of undereating and lack of pump from that no doubt. I am not over meticulous when it comes to that stuff, I don't track etc.. I do measure ketones in the blood or have, thats about it.

[Van_Bilderass]

I have probably done it for 6 months or so, there is a degree of undereating and lack of pump from that no doubt.

Without debating the usefulness of doing it, doing heavy carb up days after zero carbing can be fun, depending on what you think fun of course LOL. The weight shifts and pumps and cosmetic effects can be wild. I only competed once but I did that DiPasquale Anabolic Diet/Dan Duchaine Body Opus diet of 5 days zero carbs and a circa 2 day carb load. Later Lyle McDonald perfected that type of diet with his Ultimate Diet 2.0 according to Duchaine. Weight could shift by as much as 25lbs during the weekly phases. I think the body probably looked best after going back on zero carbs for about 24 hours, glycogen still there but some water was shed again. I should do that type of diet now I think but I'm apparently too lazy or not vain enough. How much could I gain in say a 36 hour carb load now going from glycogen depleted and then loading with 100iu Lantus and Novolog with ever meal?

No vids for me but I workout in my garage sometimes with the door open. 

Aha ok. I'm 48 and had the impression you were maybe 5-10 of years older than me. Good going with the health markers and weight. I hope I'm still alive and can deadlift at least a little at 67