Lat "isolation"

[snx]

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I really liked this one on the topic. Yes it’s extraordinarily long, lots of physiology and moment arms and mechanics so don’t watch unless you have lots of free time.

TLDW; for the DB pullover these gents conclude it’s both a chest and back exercise, with a stronger emphasis on the teres major relative to the Lats due to the fact that the shoulder cannot elevate and depress against resistance when the Lats experience a mechanically advantaged position. But it will still hit Lats to an extent. And also chest at the full stretch position. Great for teres major though as that muscle bullies the move during shoulder extention as that happens with glenohumueral joint in a fixed position and unable to travel during the move.

[Van_Bilderass]

I never thought pullovers hit chest at all, but I can easily concede the point though I didn't watch the vid snx posted.

[mops]

[snx]

I never thought pullovers hit chest at all, but I can easily concede the point though I didn't watch the vid snx posted.

VanB my dude;

I would agree that pullovers don’t “hit the chest” as bodybuilders think. A pullover is not going to replicate a dip or a cable crossover for targeting lower pec fibers in the costal head. But, the pullover we must concede does hit the lower pecs “a bit” at the fully stretched spot (arms farthest behind head) due to the pecs having mechanical advantage at full stretch in that spot (as opposed to Lats, who have a bit of leverage but kick farther into overdrive when the arms reach just near the top of the head). So the DB pullover is a red headed stepchild. It does hit pecs, but it sucks as a pec movement. It does hit Lats, but it pales in comparison to a standard pull-down/up or lat biased row. But, it does have a home in a program; if you gave me only one exercise for a time starved trainee to hit chest and shoulder extension, the DB pullover might just rank supreme. We might say someone who has time for only one exercise is not serious, but we’ve all been the time starved bodybuilder at one time or another. To each his own.

By the way, love your posts in general.

[Donny]

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I really liked this one on the topic. Yes it’s extraordinarily long, lots of physiology and moment arms and mechanics so don’t watch unless you have lots of free time.

TLDW; for the DB pullover these gents conclude it’s both a chest and back exercise, with a stronger emphasis on the teres major relative to the Lats due to the fact that the shoulder cannot elevate and depress against resistance when the Lats experience a mechanically advantaged position. But it will still hit Lats to an extent. And also chest at the full stretch position. Great for teres major though as that muscle bullies the move during shoulder extention as that happens with glenohumueral joint in a fixed position and unable to travel during the move.

the Oldtimers as you no doubt know did pullovers & 20 rep squats ... expanding the rib cage & all that jazz .. might be possible as a young guy up to a certain age as the cartilage is soft but later on...nah..