Flex .vs. The Gift( Rookie Season)

[240 is Back]

um, I'm not donkey kong.  hth.

[kyomu]

I think Phil is super overrated.Clearly he cant do even the half of what Flex did.
First of all,before comparering him with Flex,why dont we compare him with Dexter?

[Jerryme7]

What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.

If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.

Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or  170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....

To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?

I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....

What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing  that his body adapted so well?

I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.

But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.

It is hard being a natural....

Some say that "supplements"  dont really help you and say that there is proof  because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.

Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.

Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....

Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....

But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....

I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...

[alexxx]

What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.

If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.

Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or  170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....

To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?

I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....

What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing  that his body adapted so well?

I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.

But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.

It is hard being a natural....

Some say that "supplements"  dont really help you and say that there is proof  because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.

Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.

Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....

Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at 230 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....

But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....

I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...

You need help.

[Jerryme7]

Alexx...why do I need help?

Looking at your physique...youre the one that neeeeds a lot of help   LOL

But its ok to be delusional...your delusions of granduer make me laugh 

Youre needed on this board for the comedy value and I enjoy reading your posts

[240 is Back]

IMO Phil heath is the next kevin levrone.

In 92 he was teh second coming.  Won the NOC i think, and took 2nd at the O.  He had shape and lines which were unheard of, and he had wider clavicles than heath has. 

But what happened to kev?  Once he grew into his frame and filled out - once he put on 'pro quality mass', he looked the same as everyone else, his weaknesses became more glaring, and while he took second 4 times at the O, he was never the 6-time champ his genetics could have allowed.

When guys blow up, they don't look as good.  The place higher in this weird IFBB judging system (heath and darrem would never beat DJ at the O, but they handled him quickly at the NY Pro), but they don't look good anymore. 

Imagine if Phil heath DIDN'T spend the next 15 months adding pro levels of mass.  imagine if Phil Heath DIDN'T put on 15 pounds, show up with bigger elbows and jawbone.  With a more bunched up chest, and thicker arms and legs to further destroy the illusion of width.

I remember being clowned when I said Phil should take off the O and milk the 'undefeated' thing.  Then, he did it.  I hope he' listening now.   Phil, put on 5 pounds, not 25.  Show up in 15 months with muscle maturity on the same frame, not hanging slabs with no shape, a crying need for escaline due to weaknesses being shown, and a chest more bunched up than it is now. 

[The True Adonis]

What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.

If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.

Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or  170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....

To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?

I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....

What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing  that his body adapted so well?

I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.

But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.

It is hard being a natural....

Some say that "supplements"  dont really help you and say that there is proof  because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.

Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.

Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....

Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....

But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....

I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...

VERY GOOD POST.

That is about the most honest assessment I have ever seen from someone who has trained both ways.  I wonder how can people take credit for the things they do when they are "on", because the only reason they are lifting that much,or the only reason they look the way they do is because of a drug.  

JerryMe, Much props for being completely honest with us and yourself.  I don`t think most users have the intelligence to realize what you have realized.

I really do not give steroid users much credit because it is the drug at work.  Do it naturally and then you can earn your look or lift,otherwise its just the drugs enabling you to do what you would NEVER be able to do.  I don`t find that impressive,just like I don`t find lifts in squat suits and bench shirts impressive.

[alexxx]

Alexx...why do I need help?

Looking at your physique...youre the one that neeeeds a lot of help   LOL

But its ok to be delusional...your delusions of granduer make me laugh 

Youre needed on this board for the comedy value and I enjoy reading your posts

You bench more than you can squat for starters..

[Jerryme7]

Alexxx said

You bench more than you can squat for starters..

You are a mean mean person

But dont worry, I bet I do more weights then you

[alexxx]

Alexxx said
You are a mean mean person

But dont worry, I bet I do more weights then you

hahaha keep lifting there big fellow!

[DK II]

um, I'm not donkey kong.  hth.

Yeah thanks for poiting that out. 

[DK II]

IMO Phil heath is the next kevin levrone.

In 92 he was teh second coming.  Won the NOC i think, and took 2nd at the O.  He had shape and lines which were unheard of, and he had wider clavicles than heath has. 

But what happened to kev?  Once he grew into his frame and filled out - once he put on 'pro quality mass', he looked the same as everyone else, his weaknesses became more glaring, and while he took second 4 times at the O, he was never the 6-time champ his genetics could have allowed.

When guys blow up, they don't look as good.  The place higher in this weird IFBB judging system (heath and darrem would never beat DJ at the O, but they handled him quickly at the NY Pro), but they don't look good anymore. 

Imagine if Phil heath DIDN'T spend the next 15 months adding pro levels of mass.  imagine if Phil Heath DIDN'T put on 15 pounds, show up with bigger elbows and jawbone.  With a more bunched up chest, and thicker arms and legs to further destroy the illusion of width.

I remember being clowned when I said Phil should take off the O and milk the 'undefeated' thing.  Then, he did it. I hope he' listening now.   Phil, put on 5 pounds, not 25.  Show up in 15 months with muscle maturity on the same frame, not hanging slabs with no shape, a crying need for escaline due to weaknesses being shown, and a chest more bunched up than it is now. 

[de Rooij]

The sad thing is that, I'm sure, True Adonis is not natural neither, just like 240. But their body just doesn't respond to the juice or they've got tooooo lazy asses, thus the hate against people who juice and are 'successful'...

[The True Adonis]

The sad thing is that, I'm sure, True Adonis is not natural neither, just like 240. But their body just doesn't respond to the juice or they've got tooooo lazy asses, thus the hate against people who juice and are 'successful'...

Incorrect.  Lifetime Natural.

[Rearden Metal]

True Adonis has buddy mods deleting threads about him. I posted one up and it was gone in under 5 minutes. I didn't even say anything bad about him, just that we fucking get his point already.

Epic collusion and mod powers.