Post Meal Timing

[Lugar]

I'm slated to be on a schedule where my pw shake comes as soon as I finish training of whey, dextrose and pie filling.  1 scoop whey, 50g of each carb source.  Then within that "magic window of 45 minutes, I kick in another scoop of whey, another 50g of dext, and drop the pie filling for a cup of oats.  Then one hour later, I have a good size meal of a meat with a little more fats (dozen eggs, using 2-3 yolks, or salmon and chicken etc.) and 2 cups of rice.  THEN..........I have a boatload of almonds/walnuts with a cup of cottage cheese and a casein shake as I crawl into bed.  Long story short, what do you think about this magical approach for someone trying to put on some lean mass, at 6'2, 170lbs?  Time frame from the time I drop the last set weight till the time I climb into bed in 6pm - 930/10pm.........thoughts?

[darksol]

Your diet plan sounds good, but unfortunately I think you would poop most of it out.  Yes its important to get some immediate carbs and protien following your workouts, but you also need to eat more throughout the day too.  I stand 6' 4" and used to weight about 180.  I had tried doing something similar to you, in that I was thinking that immediately after my workout I would magically absorb tons of protien and carbs.  It didn't work.  If you want to get big you have to eat big.  The idea of putting on large amounts of lean muscle mass without putting on fat, and not using roids is a fantasy.  If you want to get big you need to take in lots of fats, lots of protien and carbs.  Then you willl grow. Yes you will get a little soft, but its the only way to put on muscle naturally.  I recommend PBJ as a source of calories.   I did this and was able to get myself up to 240. Now I am working on shedding the fat.  If you are having trouble gaining then you might have low test.  Look into a Test Booster as part of your supplement stack.  It helped me a ton.  Good luck

[Lugar]

My test is natually very low, so you hit the nail.  I have HRT therapy in the works (200mg every 10 days) so I'm figuring I can eat even more and those cals would be put to good use.  What is your bodyfat %?  I don't and will not let myself go over 10%, never been over 8, so I want to get large, I will get a tad soft, but want to keep the abs in tact.  On your off day from the gym, I mean totoally off, do you cut back on carbs?  What are your macros like?

[buffbodz]

Your diet plan sounds good, but unfortunately I think you would poop most of it out.  Yes its important to get some immediate carbs and protien following your workouts, but you also need to eat more throughout the day too.  I stand 6' 4" and used to weight about 180.  I had tried doing something similar to you, in that I was thinking that immediately after my workout I would magically absorb tons of protien and carbs.  It didn't work.  If you want to get big you have to eat big.  The idea of putting on large amounts of lean muscle mass without putting on fat, and not using roids is a fantasy.  If you want to get big you need to take in lots of fats, lots of protien and carbs.  Then you willl grow. Yes you will get a little soft, but its the only way to put on muscle naturally.  I recommend PBJ as a source of calories.   I did this and was able to get myself up to 240. Now I am working on shedding the fat.  If you are having trouble gaining then you might have low test.  Look into a Test Booster as part of your supplement stack.  It helped me a ton.  Good luck

Good advice.  It's impossible to build and burn at the same time so in order to gain muscle naturally, you must eat more than your BMR.  You might get a little soft, but don't worry when you start to lean out you will be supprised how much of what you thought was fat is actually lean mass.  The name of the game is eat.  I would even keep a shake w/glutamine in the fridge to drink when you get up to pis.  That should keep you in an anabolic state all night.  Up the weight and cut back or stop cardio.  Once again, the fat will go when you cut back and lean out.

[Lugar]

MY trainer told me to add in a banana first thing in the morning and remove the blueberris for a more caloric food and one that is needed first thing in the am to kickstart the body.

He also uses 8-10 rice cakes, or a few nutragrain bars, with his dext. and whey, oats shakes postworkout for the quick carbs.  His theory is that he doesnt care what I use as my carb source pw, as long as it's fast acting, and meets the requirements of 40g of protein, 80g of carbs.  Then an additional 80 in my 2nd pw meal, and cut back to 50 before bed.  Thoughts?

don't want to overanalyze, just a friendly debate.  Thoughts?

[darksol]

On my off days I would still eat, as even though I am not hitting the gym, I am still recovering.  The Test booster will help.  I know you don't want to get soft, but it might be the sacrafic you will have to make to really put on the Lean muscle mass.  I recommend you eat big, lift heavy, and skip the cardio.  Set yourself some lifting goals. Once you achieve them, switch up your workout to have more cardio, and then do light lifting to maintain your pumps.  Unless your trainer looks like someone that knows what he is talking about I wouldn't listen to them.  Not to prejudge your trainer as he might have his shit together,  I just know at my gym ( 24 hour fitness ), only two of the trainers look like someone who lives the BB lifestyle.  The rest are fat asses.  I could never take advice from someone that hasn't done that or been there.  Just remember to maintain your calories. That is the reason I recommend PBJ.