Side effects.

[theworm]

It seems that the side effects are permanent, whereas, the gains are temporary.  Baldness, gyno, stay forever, but your 10-20 pounds only stays for a few months to a year. 
Are there any good, known, proven stacks that give a low DHT, and low sides of baldness/acne/gyn which produces ok gains?  I think primo, maybe equipose?
Any know of any good ones?

[sportingsteroids]

try with this :
deca
eq
trenabol
primobol
winny
turanabol
anavar

[ZEEK]

It seems that the side effects are permanent, whereas, the gains are temporary.  Baldness, gyno, stay forever, but your 10-20 pounds only stays for a few months to a year. 
Are there any good, known, proven stacks that give a low DHT, and low sides of baldness/acne/gyn which produces ok gains?  I think primo, maybe equipose?
Any know of any good ones?

this statement is false baldness does not last forever and neather does acne. some dont even get baldness. if it runs in your family then maybe Ive been using for awhile and no problems with baldness or acne

[!@#$%]

It seems that the side effects are permanent, whereas, the gains are temporary.  Baldness, gyno, stay forever, but your 10-20 pounds only stays for a few months to a year. 
Are there any good, known, proven stacks that give a low DHT, and low sides of baldness/acne/gyn which produces ok gains?  I think primo, maybe equipose?
Any know of any good ones?

I think test stacked with finastride and an anabolic like Dbol should be best on the hair line. All androgenic compounds will cause baldness and I read somewhere that finastride only works with test.

Gyno should be preventable with anti-estrogens and it is supposedly reversable with reloxofine (sp?).

[Overload]

I know a few guys who are scared of test and they cycle like this...it is expensive though but they have very good builds with no side effects. i have only noticed acne in my heaviest test cycles. no balding and my blood pressure barely changes, these are both temporary.

i have not run this, only a few friends have run this exact cycle with great results.

1000mg Primo EW - 20 weeks
Tbol 50mg ED - Weeks 1-6
Anavar 50mg ED - Weeks 16-22

Pct - Nolva - Weeks 20-24 - 20mg ED

They like to overlap the var at the end "with" the nolva the first 2 weeks...interesting.

[Euro-monster]

I know a few guys who are scared of test and they cycle like this...it is expensive though but they have very good builds with no side effects. i have only noticed acne in my heaviest test cycles. no balding and my blood pressure barely changes, these are both temporary.

i have not run this, only a few friends have run this exact cycle with great results.

1000mg Primo EW - 20 weeks
Tbol 50mg ED - Weeks 1-6
Anavar 50mg ED - Weeks 16-22

Pct - Nolva - Weeks 20-24 - 20mg ED

They like to overlap the var at the end "with" the nolva the first 2 weeks...interesting.

Can you give me an example of those "great results" those guys had with going on such a cycle? Hom much weight did they put on and how much did they keep after say 3 months?

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Can you give me an example of those "great results" those guys had with going on such a cycle? Hom much weight did they put on and how much did they keep after say 3 months?

One of them started out at a very lean 190 pounds, all natural...probably 8% bodyfat. after 2 years of cycles like the one above he is a solid 220 at the same bodyfat, even when clean. i know 3 guys who cycle almost identical to what i posted above and all three are over 200 pounds and under 10% bodyfat. they keep 95% of the gains when they come off and they all cycle time on=time off. one guy was off for over a year and lost "nothing", kept all his strength.

this is not a big mass and strength cycle, it is for people who don't like test for certian reasons and want to make good gains...i will say these guys don't shrink much when they come off, but niether do i and i use completely different compounds.

that's all i can say because i have never used this cycle but everyone i know who has used it, loved it. alot of pro's and high level amatuers back in the late 70's cycled VERY similar to this...

[theworm]

what is this tbol???  never heard of it  (sorry!)

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Oral Turnibol...google it.

Best known for use in the olympics buy the russians i believe before it was detectable...sort of a weak Dianabol but i've made good gains using it.

[Euro-monster]

One of them started out at a very lean 190 pounds, all natural...probably 8% bodyfat. after 2 years of cycles like the one above he is a solid 220 at the same bodyfat, even when clean. i know 3 guys who cycle almost identical to what i posted above and all three are over 200 pounds and under 10% bodyfat. they keep 95% of the gains when they come off and they all cycle time on=time off. one guy was off for over a year and lost "nothing", kept all his strength.

this is not a big mass and strength cycle, it is for people who don't like test for certian reasons and want to make good gains...i will say these guys don't shrink much when they come off, but niether do i and i use completely different compounds.

that's all i can say because i have never used this cycle but everyone i know who has used it, loved it. alot of pro's and high level amatuers back in the late 70's cycled VERY similar to this...

Doesn't sound to bad actually!
Maybe something when i'm all done building muscle and trying to shape my body even further without all the sides from adrogenes.

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Doesn't sound to bad actually!
Maybe something when i'm all done building muscle and trying to shape my body even further without all the sides from adrogenes.

I've been really thinking about running that cycle next year to see how lean i can get. i haven't been under 8% bodyfat in a few years and i'd like to see how i look around 6%...then i'll run a nice test/deca combo and see how much mass i can pack on.

[sportingsteroids]

BF 6% is big goal ...

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BF 6% is big goal ...

Yes it is but if i can do it as a natural i'm sure i can do it with primo, var and a little clen...lol

i'm actually looking forward to it next summer most likely...