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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2006, 11:13:49 AM »

You sound like an old fool....


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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2006, 11:24:20 AM »
I dont see why CHICK has to act differently here than anyone else, this isn't an IFBB board, he is off duty. WHy cant he speak his mind just like everyother getbigger here....the censoratzi should back off.

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« Reply #77 on: November 01, 2006, 12:59:58 PM »
When Rodney was in the IFBB, I worked in his best interest as well as every other dues paying member...

Now he's not...

Will he receive a pro-rated refund on his IFBB membership dues for 2006?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #78 on: November 01, 2006, 01:07:34 PM »

Xpac has a point - it's the same reason that Senator Kerry isn't allowed to call President Bush 'stupid' without all hell breaking loose.

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #79 on: November 01, 2006, 04:02:59 PM »
I dont see why CHICK has to act differently here than anyone else, this isn't an IFBB board, he is off duty. WHy cant he speak his mind just like everyother getbigger here....the censoratzi should back off.

But it is an IFBB board.  They have allot to say what goes in and what goes out. 

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« Reply #80 on: November 01, 2006, 04:11:38 PM »
Okay, Bob, I can see how you operate in a discussion. Your strategy is to try to dismiss anyone who you don't approve of by labelling them in some negative way such as saying they are 'old' and 'foolish'. You then present as evidence that someone made a mistake about a meeting. The essence of what I said remains and you have not refuted it. Present anything important and significant that happened in your athlete's meeting. Remember that you were appointed to this position just like everyone else in the IFBB and were not elected. You presume the athletes support and endorse you but that might not be true. I personally find you an offensive, pompous individual who should not be associated with any bodybuilding organization as a spokesperson. You might be able to get some things done behind the scenes but you should desist in posting on internet discussing boards where you attack people instead of opinions.

There are intelligent people associated with bodybuilding and many of them do not endorse what the IFBB is doing to this sport. Do we have to mention the necessity to use drugs in your professional competitions? Bar and restaurant staff and many other workers have won disputes with employers regarding smoking in their work environments. It was determined that if anything contributed to longterm ill health then the employers were negligent and responsible. It seems to me that your professional athletes would have a case against the IFBB if any of them suffered ill health because of drug use. Especially when your rules clearly are against any forbidden drug use. For you to appear on these boards and not address this important issue makes you and the IFBB seem oblivious of any wrongdoing. Why even have a medical committee? Those doctors alerted you all to the dangers involved in many extreme practices in building up and then getting cut up for contests. It is clear to any informed person that the IFBB professional bodybuilding is a dangerous sport and there are no restrictions on substances that every single other sport is against and tests for. Well, not all powerlifting sports do drug testing but perhaps they should. What has happened is that bodybuilding at the elite level such as the Olympia has become so dangerous that no sane person would encourage his son or daughter to get involved or want to compete. In the old days the drug issue was swept under the table and people denied using anything. Eventually the truth came out and today it is common knowledge that most if not all athletes at the professional level use drugs to prepare for contests. What are you and the IFBB going to do about this issue?

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #81 on: November 01, 2006, 04:31:22 PM »
bob, why aren't you personally ensuring that ever pro will get $10,000 at every contest, supplement endorsements, and have all of their travel expenses paid for? for that matter, why aren't you totally overhauling every single aspect of the ifbb that anyone on the message boards could possibly complain about? and get on top of making sure every single contest shows up live on espn and fox sports. you're the athlete's rep, obviously fixing every single little thing is your responsibility.  ::)

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2006, 05:52:32 PM »
The IFBB Professional Commettee has 19 members, 16 of them are from the US.
Is that balanced???

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #83 on: November 01, 2006, 05:54:58 PM »

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« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2006, 08:36:22 PM »
The IFBB Professional Commettee has 19 members, 16 of them are from the US.
Is that balanced???

It is in the eyes up the upper management.  That is why they are there.  If there was any kind of election in the IFBB Weider would have been out many many years ago.  Chic would no way in hell ever been elected to whatever position he calls himself. And as many of us seen and agree he would not have won the Masters.  But, hey he has admitted he doesn't get paid by the IFBB so they needed to reward him somehow.

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« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2006, 11:29:37 PM »
Hey, Keith, how come you and I see things the same way concerning the IFBB and the lackies who run it? Maybe we are the odd ones out! You and I never would qualify for a position because we think for ourselves and aren't stooges. We can only imagine what the sport would be today if Serge Nubret had been elected as president. Ben saw the threat and made his position for life. I guess he has surrounded himself with enough stooges to carry on as before. You gotta love the way they stick together! Jobs for the boys. You know, the original 'vice-presidents' were mostly agents for Weider products in those countries. Ah, what a wonderful way to recruit the party faithful.

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« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2006, 04:57:48 PM »
As Ben Weider said on his recent Bodybuilding.com Radio interview, his “lifelong dream” has been to get BB competition as an added Olympic “sport”. 

Of course, the only hope for this to come about is supposedly that only amateur BB may be considered by the IOC (as Ben stated).  This is because the pro. BBers are so “juiced/doped to the gills” that there is absolutely no hope of them competing in the Olympics.

However, if amateur BB is ever accepted as an Olympic “sport”, these BBers would probably be drug-tested to the standards of the International Weightlifting Federation (IWF), which is the most rigorous doping testing on the planet…even more so than the IOC’s standards!  For example, U.S. superheavy  Olympic weightlifter Shane Hamman was randomly drug-tested some 18 times during the 2004 Olympic year by the IWF’s U.S. equivalent (USAW).

Compared to the IWF’s rigorous, random, drug-testing and punishment standards for positive testing, all relative competitive BB drug-testing is “a joke”, to say the least! 

Sadly, many amateur BBers, in their impatience to develop muscle mass/vascularity, dope to the levels of the pros.!

Of course, doping testing will always be a "cat-and-mouse game", but getting amateur BB eventually recognized as an Olympic “sport” would be a big positive step in the direction of cleaning up the “drug/doping” stigma currently associated even with amateur BB in  the general public’s eye! 

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2006, 05:01:31 PM »
Why would you have a problem with the reference as "athletes"? If you don't believe they should be called athletes...great. Others believe they are athletes, and will call them as they see fit. It doesn't really matter either way, does it?

I do find it ironic, that everyone who DOESN'T compete is quick to jump on the "Pro Bbers are NOT athletes" bandwagan...perhaps something in the "walk a mile in my shoes", analogy...
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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2006, 08:51:25 PM »
Sport is human excellence in physical activity. Bodybuilding is the cultivation appearance of being able to excel in physical activity; it is not sport.

And bodybuilders are NOT athletes!

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2006, 05:51:39 AM »
The IFBB Professional Commettee has 19 members, 16 of them are from the US.
Is that balanced???

Separate entities using the same name...

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Re: IFBB Misconceptions....
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2006, 11:55:14 AM »
Chick is a popular scapegoat, but you all look like knobs ranting all about without actually having any inside knowledge. Keith, Vince, et-al. When was the last time you guys actually sat down in an insider meeting? I know Keith was once on the inside track, but wasn't that like 10-20 years ago? The others -- probably never.

No matter how much you guys rant or oppose, I (and many others on the board) can't side with you because I don't know who is right either. And to side, would imply that I had knowledge of something I don't have knowledge of. And you all say Chick is wrong for some reason or another, but at the same time, you're contradicting and correcting each other.

You are right about Chic being the IFBB scapegoat but he wants to be it and with that he needs to take the crap that comes along with it.  And actually any inside track I have is better now than 20 years ago.  My personal experiences started back 25 years ago.  But, any "inside" stuff I know I get from actual IFBB officials (or former) that I talk to regulary.  And I do not post 80% of the stuff I am told.  Because I am told not to or just because I forget half the shit I am told.  The stuff I bring up about the IFBB like the way they treat their members and take advantage of them without compensation, tax problems, election process etc. are not my opinions but 100% fact.  I may go off sometimes on Chic and say some stuff just out of the way I feel and I may be wrong, but that still doesn't deter from the "facts" I state.  I like Chic.  I like Chic allot, I think he is a good guy and really believes in what he is doing.  The nly problem I have is who and what he supports.  I know how the IFBB, Weiders, NPC and Manion work.  I am not guessing or reading others crap.  My statements come from personal experiences from all of them.  And it's not only me but I am one that will voice his thoughts and opinions.