Ben Johnson reveals details of Carl Lewis frame-up

[djohnsen]

No, it not. I forgot the time, but they have constantly sped up the tracks (I believe in an effort to erase Ben's time) and I believe that his time has been eclipse. I don't follow track and field like i use to.

If I am not mistaken it's even. 9,77 sek?
It took over 10 years for someone to run as fast as Ben Johnsen!
I doubt that any of the top guys are drug free.

[venom gang.bronze]

isnt carl a closet homosexual?

"closet?"

[Samourai Pizzacat]

If I am not mistaken it's even. 9,77 sek?
It took over 10 years for someone to run as fast as Ben Johnsen!
I doubt that any of the top guys are drug free.

The size of some of the elite sprinters is staggering, that american guy in particular...forgot his name.

[disco_stu]

im a hardcore t&f fan and here's my thoughts fwiw.

ben failed another 2 tests later after comebacks....i bet that pesky carl was there in the shadows dropping tren, anas and conducting other trickery in those cases too.

ASs were on the banned list after the 1976 olympics officially, and were tested extensively in 1984, and not so extensively in 1980.

88 introduced the first real random and top 3 mandatory testing with some pre- event testing and lame off season testing. BJ had won the prior year in 1987 with a smashing of the World Record, and all eyes for about a year before that wsere on him.

he went from a 10.4 something runner to a 10.10 runner in about a year, then 10 the next year, 9.9 and 9.8 the following. Everyone was watching this guy and knew something was amiss.

watch the guys that hover around the same times for all their careers and you may be looking at clean athletes.

the current crop is subject to very strict in and out of season testing, that it sophisticated and catches pretty much everyone who tries to cheat.

the current WR holder has run 9.77 three times and sub 9.8 plus a load of sub 9.9 times and has been tested hundreds of times and never failed them. he's a freaky gifted jamaican and they've got a crop of 16 year olds over there running 10.10s.

so for mine, the record is now where it should be, after being first tarnished when they let the high altitude of mexico jump it down...and then colarado on 1993. From 1968 to 1985 (?) the WR was at altitude. They dont count these anymore.

Even sying that the 200m WR was high alt from 1972 through 1992 (?).

if you are looking for freaks checkout michael johnson. everything he did completely blew BJ's achievements into miniscule territory- he was tested over and over and never failed. he also trained harder and smarter than everyone else, and number 1 was never good enough.

we gotta give some credit when evidence suggests they are legit.

if they test positive, they are cheats,a dn should be banned for life. if they never test positive then you HAVE to consider them clean..simple as that.

later.

PS carl spiked Ben's drink?...pffft..its in the book and well documented that Ben had a hissy fit with Charlie Francis just before the olympics and took anapolan up to, and on the day of the events..despite CF having a ''drug avoidance'' plan which used winstrol and some other in/out agents. Basically dum ass ben took the same dosages as he was on the strol of the anas...lol...like 150mg/day!!

no wonder he ran like a skun rabbit..he probably put on 6 lbs of muscle that week too.

what a moron.

phew, my fingers hurt.

[BM OUT]

What about the fact that Lewis failed 7 drug tests in his career and it was always swept under the rug.He has admitted to failing tests and has said who cares everyone was failing tests.Lewis is the biggest disgrace in the history of track and field and there was nothing better then seeing his face as Johnson smoked his rear end in that Olympics.

[Parker]

im a hardcore t&f fan and here's my thoughts fwiw.

ben failed another 2 tests later after comebacks....i bet that pesky carl was there in the shadows dropping tren, anas and conducting other trickery in those cases too.

ASs were on the banned list after the 1976 olympics officially, and were tested extensively in 1984, and not so extensively in 1980.

88 introduced the first real random and top 3 mandatory testing with some pre- event testing and lame off season testing. BJ had won the prior year in 1987 with a smashing of the World Record, and all eyes for about a year before that wsere on him.

he went from a 10.4 something runner to a 10.10 runner in about a year, then 10 the next year, 9.9 and 9.8 the following. Everyone was watching this guy and knew something was amiss.

watch the guys that hover around the same times for all their careers and you may be looking at clean athletes.

the current crop is subject to very strict in and out of season testing, that it sophisticated and catches pretty much everyone who tries to cheat.

the current WR holder has run 9.77 three times and sub 9.8 plus a load of sub 9.9 times and has been tested hundreds of times and never failed them. he's a freaky gifted jamaican and they've got a crop of 16 year olds over there running 10.10s.

so for mine, the record is now where it should be, after being first tarnished when they let the high altitude of mexico jump it down...and then colarado on 1993. From 1968 to 1985 (?) the WR was at altitude. They dont count these anymore.

Even sying that the 200m WR was high alt from 1972 through 1992 (?).

if you are looking for freaks checkout michael johnson. everything he did completely blew BJ's achievements into miniscule territory- he was tested over and over and never failed. he also trained harder and smarter than everyone else, and number 1 was never good enough.

we gotta give some credit when evidence suggests they are legit.

if they test positive, they are cheats,a dn should be banned for life. if they never test positive then you HAVE to consider them clean..simple as that.

later.

PS carl spiked Ben's drink?...pffft..its in the book and well documented that Ben had a hissy fit with Charlie Francis just before the olympics and took anapolan up to, and on the day of the events..despite CF having a ''drug avoidance'' plan which used winstrol and some other in/out agents. Basically dum ass ben took the same dosages as he was on the strol of the anas...lol...like 150mg/day!!

no wonder he ran like a skun rabbit..he probably put on 6 lbs of muscle that week too.

what a moron.

phew, my fingers hurt.

Disco, I remember Carl saying that he could see that Ben's pupils were yellow, I sure sign of using AAS. Hmmmm, I wonder
Back at my high school there was this lanky dude who was one of the top 20 wide recievers in the nation. He also ran track, and was doing 10.10's. He was as natty as could be. Some people just got it. Too bad he never panned out in either track football, he was his own worst enemy.

[JasonH]

im a hardcore t&f fan and here's my thoughts fwiw.

ben failed another 2 tests later after comebacks....i bet that pesky carl was there in the shadows dropping tren, anas and conducting other trickery in those cases too.

ASs were on the banned list after the 1976 olympics officially, and were tested extensively in 1984, and not so extensively in 1980.

88 introduced the first real random and top 3 mandatory testing with some pre- event testing and lame off season testing. BJ had won the prior year in 1987 with a smashing of the World Record, and all eyes for about a year before that wsere on him.

he went from a 10.4 something runner to a 10.10 runner in about a year, then 10 the next year, 9.9 and 9.8 the following. Everyone was watching this guy and knew something was amiss.

watch the guys that hover around the same times for all their careers and you may be looking at clean athletes.

the current crop is subject to very strict in and out of season testing, that it sophisticated and catches pretty much everyone who tries to cheat.

the current WR holder has run 9.77 three times and sub 9.8 plus a load of sub 9.9 times and has been tested hundreds of times and never failed them. he's a freaky gifted jamaican and they've got a crop of 16 year olds over there running 10.10s.

so for mine, the record is now where it should be, after being first tarnished when they let the high altitude of mexico jump it down...and then colarado on 1993. From 1968 to 1985 (?) the WR was at altitude. They dont count these anymore.

Even sying that the 200m WR was high alt from 1972 through 1992 (?).

if you are looking for freaks checkout michael johnson. everything he did completely blew BJ's achievements into miniscule territory- he was tested over and over and never failed. he also trained harder and smarter than everyone else, and number 1 was never good enough.

we gotta give some credit when evidence suggests they are legit.

if they test positive, they are cheats,a dn should be banned for life. if they never test positive then you HAVE to consider them clean..simple as that.

later.

PS carl spiked Ben's drink?...pffft..its in the book and well documented that Ben had a hissy fit with Charlie Francis just before the olympics and took anapolan up to, and on the day of the events..despite CF having a ''drug avoidance'' plan which used winstrol and some other in/out agents. Basically dum ass ben took the same dosages as he was on the strol of the anas...lol...like 150mg/day!!

no wonder he ran like a skun rabbit..he probably put on 6 lbs of muscle that week too.

what a moron.

phew, my fingers hurt.

Good post. Ben was always a cheat and the bloodshot / yellowing eyes didn't help matters. He was just another average sprinter before 1987 but came from nowhere to win the Olympics in a ridiculous time. Even commentators at the time didn't really believe it. I don't think Carl Lewis was in on it but at the same time I think he was also on drugs - he just didn't get caught.

As for Michael Johnson, I'm a bit dubious - I've always had my suspicions. I just don't understand how a guy can come in and break the 200m world record when its been held since 1972 and not only break it, but smash it to pieces - he took nearly half a second off!! How he passed the drug test I will never know but no-one can tell me that that wasn't done naturally. A feat like that has to be aided by gear.

[disco_stu]

Disco, I remember Carl saying that he could see that Ben's pupils were yellow, I sure sign of using AAS. Hmmmm, I wonder
Back at my high school there was this lanky dude who was one of the top 20 wide recievers in the nation. He also ran track, and was doing 10.10's. He was as natty as could be. Some people just got it. Too bad he never panned out in either track football, he was his own worst enemy.

i agree..the yellow eye thing was a stupid reason to suspect him.

going from 10.4 to sub 9.8 is better evidence.

look at tim montgomery go from 10.10 every week then to 9.9 most weeks then a few weeks at sub 9.8...something fishy there- not to mention having anything to do with marion jones.

marion jones can only run 10.8/10.9s now....how come the 10.5 and 10.6s she used to run?

and then flo jo...11.20 runner to 10.49!!..then retires?!

a few other notables were linford christie who became real muscular and went from year in year out 10.0-10.1 also ran to unbeatable sub 9.9 runner for a couple of seasons before retirement.

the only guys that i cant find suspicious in the current crop of sub 9.9 runners is murice green and the current WR holders.

ato boldon ran 9.86 about 5 times and a heap of sub 10s, same for frankie fredericks..i think they were clean.

so all in all i reckon that humans can run these times, its just that the guys are rarer than we've seen before, and usually it takes a freak day and conditions to produce the result- not an unheard of improvement all of a sudden.

another cool thing this shows is the effect of AAS on T&F eh?....we're talking about 0.2-0.3 s in 100m..massive.

and the way that the 400m is run kinda works against AAS in a number of ways, which makes me think MJ was just a freak of nature and was clean.

Carl Lewis and Leroy Burrel, from the same Santa Monica club under the same coach BOTH needed teeth braces during their career- when they were in their 30s....can anyone say growth hormone?...can anybody say that GH doesnt seem to help much for sprinters too....lol.. Joe deLoach- another team mate of theirs took the 88 200m after going from kind of also ran 20s runner to 19.75 that year....mmmmmm.

[bmacsys]

Just like when Roberto Duran revealed details of his "no mas" Total bullshit.

[disco_stu]

Just like when Roberto Duran revealed details of his "no mas" Total bullshit.

dude i know the boxer...but not this story..please explain?

[pumpster]

Good post. Ben was always a cheat and the bloodshot / yellowing eyes didn't help matters. He was just another average sprinter before 1987 but came from nowhere to win the Olympics in a ridiculous time. Even commentators at the time didn't really believe it. I don't think Carl Lewis was in on it but at the same time I think he was also on drugs - he just didn't get caught.

As for Michael Johnson, I'm a bit dubious - I've always had my suspicions. I just don't understand how a guy can come in and break the 200m world record when its been held since 1972 and not only break it, but smash it to pieces - he took nearly half a second off!! How he passed the drug test I will never know but no-one can tell me that that wasn't done naturally. A feat like that has to be aided by gear.

BALCO, baby! Johnson in particular, Lewis & Flo Jo  - they just had better programs that included untested for designer AAS and GH, during an era of less stringent testing. The ease in which Johnson won reminds of Barry Bonds musculing a HR, same idea.

Didn't take much to manipulate an existing drug into something that was undetectable; if not for Graham turning that sample in to authorities, we still might not know about Bonds, as one example. The better testing now seems to look for anecdotal evidence of traces of a more general nature that is created by any number of hormones.

Johnson was stupid no doubt; it seemed he took extra doses of stuff Francis had nothing to do with, probably thinking he hadn't gotten caught yet and wouldn't. The jaundice in his eyes was a clear sign BTW, as was the drastic change in times over just a few years from an already mature sprinter.

[DK II]

listen up, he tested positive for a drug he DIDN'T LIKE!


free him!

hahaha, i was thinking the same.

Maybe this should be taken into consideration from now on when it comes to drug testing.

"I'm sorry, but i didn't like insulin and EPO, i just had to take it to win the Tour de France 8 times."

[bic_staedtler]

if you are looking for freaks checkout michael johnson. everything he did completely blew BJ's achievements into miniscule territory- he was tested over and over and never failed. he also trained harder and smarter than everyone else, and number 1 was never good enough.

..two words...Donovan Bailey.

Yep, he beat that chicken Johnson, and even had to listen to ol Mikey's lame excuses! 

...and for all you Canadian haters out there, you can take a long hard suck on DEEZ NUTZ!!!!!

For the record ALL Olympic runners are on drugs.  Who cares?!?!?...let em run!  Can't stop em, might as well let em do it.

And Ben Johnson was awesome!  Sure he became a disgrace.  But watch him absolutely DEMOLISH everybody in that infamous race, looking BACKWARDS, his arm raised in the air...imagine how fast he could have been if he had TRIED to really win?

Even with today's cheaters, imagine....Ben Johnson was nothing short of amazing.  18 years later and the top notch steroid monkeys of today have a hard time getting close to his record...a record he 'should' have won by an even GREAT margin!

American Idiots! You can have your whiney cry-babies Johnson and Lewis...Canadian track and field has nothing to prove against those primadonnas!

..watch this, suckas!

...and here's the destruction of that loser Johnson...haha, CANADA OWNS!!

[djohnsen]

I remember that Carl Lewis speculated before the Olympics in 88 that
Ben Johnsen used drugs. He said that he couldn't understand how
Ben Johnsen could have such a big upper body - for a sprinter. With
their kind of training.
So I guess Carl Lewis was right. In retrospect Carl Lewis himself wasn't
natural. He have infact admitted that he used drugs himself.

[pumpster]

Still enjoyable to see the ownage over 2 consecutive summers. I posted this before the preceeding post was changed to include these clips:

Lewis, Flo Jo and Michael Johnson were on then-undetectable designer roids like those created by BALCO, so they weren't found out. If not for that BALCO sample turned in, we still might not know about it, or about Barry Bonds.

Ben Johnson used some of the commonly tested-for roids, AND stupidly added to the coaches' recommended dosage with others that didn't clear in time; that was the difference.

[fearANDloathing]

Very sad for Ben but he needs to get over it. Almost everyone was juicing but he's the one that got caught, it's the luck of the draw. It's like being pulled over on the highway for speeding when everyone else was over the limit too. They may have been but YOU got caught, it's just shitty timing. Get past it.  It's over Johnny.....

[razzle]

The only reason people think that Ben Johnson was unknown before 1987 is because the American media was all about Lewis. No one else existed other than Lewis according to the American media.
Johnson was the #1 sprinter in 86, #2 in 85, #4 in 84. His times didn't jump as much as Lewis'.
Johnson's best times in 88, 87, 86, 85, were 9.79, 9.83, 10.00, and 9.95 respectively. He had been running against headwinds and could have broken 10 many times with the right conditions.

[Tre]

BOTH needed teeth braces during their career- when they were in their 30s....can anyone say growth hormone?...

So, if I start using GH, then I can get my teeth to straighten out? 

[Tre]

Very sad for Ben but he needs to get over it. Almost everyone was juicing but he's the one that got caught, it's the luck of the draw. It's like being pulled over on the highway for speeding when everyone else was over the limit too. They may have been but YOU got caught, it's just shitty timing. Get past it.  It's over Johnny.....

Good post. 

But like many, he's got to get some revenge.  He's been seeking that for a long time.

[pumpster]

Can't blame him, IF there's any truth to it.