TKD is no use to man nor beast

[Scimowser]

here is the proof. Do you think the TKD practitioner realised he has wasted years of his life! ha ha

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[Bluto]

iven seen plenty of thaiboxers getting beaten by tkd guys

[Migs]

i think it depends on the practicioner.  But yeah TKD can be pretty useless

[Scimowser]

theres a school of TKD in my local leisure centre, a 9 year old just got his blackbelt. Its a pathetic art, serves no purpose at all. Muay Thai Boxers would kill TKD fighters if they were half decent, Silvio Simac and Gary Daniels are 2 great TKD fighters but Daniels had the sense to add muay thai etc. It strengthens your fighting ability ten fold

[danielson]

Thats why I only talk MA or MMA at Sherdog or MMA weekly, too many fuckin morons on here THINK they know what they are talking about. One video, big fuckin deal, I would hand that muay thai guy his ass, everytime he kicks he leaves his body and face wide open, just cuz one TKD practicioner doesn't know how to counter effectively doesn't mean shit.

[americanbulldog]

Thats why I only talk MA or MMA at Sherdog or MMA weekly, too many fuckin morons on here THINK they know what they are talking about. One video, big fuckin deal, I would hand that muay thai guy his ass, everytime he kicks he leaves his body and face wide open, just cuz one TKD practicioner doesn't know how to counter effectively doesn't mean shit.

Right cross down the pipe is a great way to neutralize the kick.

[danielson]

Right cross down the pipe is a great way to neutralize the kick.

Exactly. And last time I checked every form of MA's uses hand strikes, so there go this bozos theory.

[Scimowser]

seriously now, ive never met one decent TKD fighter and the instructor here is a 4th dan. Its fuck all, too poncy. Go kick the air all you want, a Thai fighter is conditioned to have the shit beat out of him and keep coming with elbows, knees, punches and kicks. There literally is no comparison. Its useless. End of story. Thats my take on it, we all have opinions. Im sure you find value somewhere but i just dont see it

[Migs]

like i have said it depends onthe practioner.  I have sparred against many styles and TKD has always been the easiest to defeat. 

[jarhead]

I've sparred a lot of TKD fighters and have yet to be impressed.  However when doing katas or whatever they look like something out of movie with all that high flying crap.

[torquemada]

I have to believe that they're are legit schools and artists, but the mcDojo's produce those 9 year old black belts that you mentioned.  If you ever read a trade mag, these "schools" are geared to get as many people, esp. kids to enroll and spend as much as possible.  Period.

[Fury]

I would've had my TKD blackbelt at age 10 until I quit to play baseball and other sports when I was one test away from it. I cleaned up sparring tournaments, though. I think TKD is good at a younger age because you can branch out into other arts when you're ready for some serious training. I don't regret doing it.

[Bluto]

all arts serves a purpose. depends on what youre looking for. would a tdk guy win against a thai? depends on the fighters and the rules of the fight

[freespirit]

Kid doesn't know how to block lowkicks.

[americanbulldog]

seriously now, ive never met one decent TKD fighter and the instructor here is a 4th dan. Its f**k all, too poncy. Go kick the air all you want, a Thai fighter is conditioned to have the shit beat out of him and keep coming with elbows, knees, punches and kicks. There literally is no comparison. Its useless. End of story. Thats my take on it, we all have opinions. Im sure you find value somewhere but i just dont see it

Conditioining in MT is a lot better than TKD, and MOST MT schools are performance oriented, HOWEVER, a lot of MMA fighters are adopting the strategy of eating the leg kick to deliver the straight right/left and set up the clinch.  My striking coach, Kaleo Kwan, has gone away from the rear roundhouse leg kick because it makes him easier to takedown.  REALLY good MT fighters with YEARS of experience can make it work in MMA.  But if you are starting from scratch, or come from a backround other than MT, it is difficult to develop the skill set necessary to make the rear roundhouse kick work in freefights, or MMA.  Mark Oshiro, recently knocked out Tyson Nam with a straight right, left hook combo off of the thai kick. 

BTW, Kaleo fights both MT and MMA.  So for MMA he advises no leg kicks except the cut kick.  If you can get someone to shield the rear roundhouse kick, you can shoot the single on the rear leg used to balance. 

[SinCitysmallGUY]

This video doesnt say shit about TKD in general. This video shows a young over-matched get his legs kicked out from under him numerous times by a much more agressive skilled fighter. For christ sakes this sorry kid doesnt try once to block the tai kick with a shin. TKD is a very watered down art, you all havea point there. Every asshole McDojo is a TKD school or at least 99.7 percent.(im cutting slack with the .3) But with allof that said i still believe that TKD has great principles in kicks thier punches are bad and the H-kata that every McDojo  teaches is ridiculous... but i still am a fan in thier kicks and the true Masters of the art like Grand Master Kim himself... Song Moo Kwan was one of the first arts that i trained heavily in. I still hold great respect for the masters that i have trained with and under... with that said i know a few TKD students that would have destroyed that guy... adn if you took TKD and then did MT after starting TKD at age 4 or 5 from a good teacher and then enter into traditional MT and i think that yoiu would have a bad mother fukcer that could kick like mule..... can you disagree with facts and logic... P.S. the only TKD that i am speaking of is Korean based.......

[americanbulldog]

This video doesnt say shit about TKD in general. This video shows a young over-matched get his legs kicked out from under him numerous times by a much more agressive skilled fighter. For christ sakes this sorry kid doesnt try once to block the tai kick with a shin. TKD is a very watered down art, you all havea point there. Every asshole McDojo is a TKD school or at least 99.7 percent.(im cutting slack with the .3) But with allof that said i still believe that TKD has great principles in kicks thier punches are bad and the H-kata that every McDojo  teaches is ridiculous... but i still am a fan in thier kicks and the true Masters of the art like Grand Master Kim himself... Song Moo Kwan was one of the first arts that i trained heavily in. I still hold great respect for the masters that i have trained with and under... with that said i know a few TKD students that would have destroyed that guy... adn if you took TKD and then did MT after starting TKD at age 4 or 5 from a good teacher and then enter into traditional MT and i think that yoiu would have a bad mother fukcer that could kick like mule..... can you disagree with facts and logic... P.S. the only TKD that i am speaking of is Korean based.......

Or you could start in MT from a very young age, and still be a very bad mofo, and won't have to unlearn a lot of technique. 

[rccs]

I kicked the ass of the tae kwon do master of my gym... It is good in movies... pretty much useless in real life!

[SinCitysmallGUY]

I kicked the ass of the tae kwon do master of my gym... It is good in movies... pretty much useless in real life!

Well like i said most of these assholes who have no sense of true training and sell their blackbelts are jokes... My cousin used to make it a point to walk into McDojo's and challange the sensei or their best student. Most of these guys are complete jokes and Fucking a disgrace to any true martial artist. They teach kids who think they are learning something. Just like the example above in the video.. that kid probally thought he had a clue until he woke up the next morning with his legs brusied to shit.... so i do have respect for the old practitioners of TKD but these ronald McDojo guys should be put out of business..

[thewickedtruth]

TKD has gone more from a fighting art to a more sports oriented appeal.

[SinCitysmallGUY]

TKD has gone more from a fighting art to a more sports oriented appeal.

I think its been like that for quite some time... My old sensei Kirk Koskella was a world champion in TKD back in the 80's... it has become a olympic non contact art.... But the old style of korean TKD was a bad thing.... Grand Master Kim would've destroyed people in his prime and im sure he would still hold his own still to this day... But i agree it has become a watered down form.... But it still has value at least in my eyes... if taught by the right person....

[thewickedtruth]

I think its been like that for quite some time... My old sensei Kirk Koskella was a world champion in TKD back in the 80's... it has become a olympic non contact art.... But the old style of korean TKD was a bad thing.... Grand Master Kim would've destroyed people in his prime and im sure he would still hold his own still to this day... But i agree it has become a watered down form.... But it still has value at least in my eyes... if taught by the right person....

I would refuse to ever take TKD for any reason. There's just so much lack of defense and SMART offense that anyone that boasts a TKD black belt, I applaud you for your commitment but, don't expect me to take a step back for fear of my life.   

[americanbulldog]

I think its been like that for quite some time... My old sensei Kirk Koskella was a world champion in TKD back in the 80's... it has become a olympic non contact art.... But the old style of korean TKD was a bad thing.... Grand Master Kim would've destroyed people in his prime and im sure he would still hold his own still to this day... But i agree it has become a watered down form.... But it still has value at least in my eyes... if taught by the right person....

I agree with this assertion, but why not just take MT from the beginning.  (Other than the abuse the body absorbs from MT)  You would be further ahead, and you would have ingrained habbits of shielding, blocking, setting up the clinch (plum).  Not to mention, the knees, elbows, figure eights, low kicks would all be part of your arsenal, not something you would have to remember. 

[SinCitysmallGUY]

I agree with this assertion, but why not just take MT from the beginning.  (Other than the abuse the body absorbs from MT)  You would be further ahead, and you would have ingrained habbits of shielding, blocking, setting up the clinch (plum).  Not to mention, the knees, elbows, figure eights, low kicks would all be part of your arsenal, not something you would have to remember. 

Well the reason why i say TKD, is just for young children.... But like before i am not in any way shape or form saying send your kid to a fuking McDojo. But in my opinion and the time that i've spent training I wouldnt send my 4 or 5 year old to a MT class. Do they even teach children that young MT classes.. I havent ever seen one but that's not saying they arent out there. I would just send my child to a good traditional TKD school for the first 3 years and then change them up to BJJ class or some other art... I believe being well rounded is a good thing.. My dad installed that in me. But I understand where you guys are coming from saying TKD is pure shit. I was just fourtunate to learn from a good teacher. and i also studied Hapkido from the same man to... So dont think i just went there for TKD class. Because i didnt. I just think that a few things in TKD could be beneficial to someone young starting up who has never taken a class before..

[americanbulldog]

A local school in Hawaii, Lapahoehoe Muay Thai takes them as young as five.  My son, who will turn 3 in Feb is already enrolled in Police Activity League (PAL) wrestling through USA wrestling.  When he is 5 (or when his attention span improves, he will join my jits school and take striking there as well.  He already can shoot a single, double, and has decent hand fighting skills.