Rampage Vs Chuck!

[Earl1972]

Can you explain to me how Rampage is anywhere near as good as he was when he beat Chuck? 

haha I knew it wouldn't be too long before you defended a ufc golden boy

I asked first, how is rampage all of a sudden worse in his late 20's and how is chuck better in his late 30's?

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[Fury]

haha I knew it wouldn't be too long before you defended a ufc golden boy

I asked first, how is rampage all of a sudden worse in his late 20's and how is chuck better in his late 30's?

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I'm a Rampage fan but I'm curious as to how you can explain this. If you can't, you're just coming off like a hypocrite which wouldn't be surprising.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Rampage lost to much better competition. He hasn't shown any signs of deteriorating ability. He's an upper-mid level guy in Pride, and that's enough to beat Chuck. Twice! Wanderlei would destroy Chuck like nothing at all.

[Earl1972]

I'm a Rampage fan but I'm curious as to how you can explain this. If you can't, you're just coming off like a hypocrite which wouldn't be surprising.

I already explained just because rampage lost to arguably the best in the world in wandy and shogun doesn't mean he is all of a sudden a can and just because chuck knocks out wrestlers and jui jitsu guys with barely mediocre striking (if that) doesn't mean he has improved

now for THE 3RD TIME HOW HAS CHUCK IMPROVED?

and do you even know what the word "hypocrite" means?

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[Earl1972]

Rampage lost to much better competition. He hasn't shown any signs of deteriorating ability. He's an upper-mid level guy in Pride, and that's enough to beat Chuck. Twice! Wanderlei would destroy Chuck like nothing at all.

haha but chuck knocked out tito who dominated a legend like ken shamrock

none of them can tell me how chuck has improved, they're just repeating what every other jackass at sherdog says

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[realkarateblackbelt]

You're exactly right.

Chuck beat up some old guys that retired soon after, and Tito "lord of the cans" Ortiz. 

That's all Chuck does is beat up these wrestlers with mediocre striking skills. Ortiz is the lord of the cans, it's no big deal that he beat him. Chuck is going to get beat and I love it, only because people like Beserkerfairy are so obsessed it's sickening.

[americanbulldog]

Okay, time to play devil's adovcate.  Like I, and many others have always contended, styles makes fights.

Chuck matches up really well with wrestling/jits based fighters.  Particularly in the cage.  When Chuck has fought striking based fighters, he hasn't been able to KO, or TKO them with regularity.  Chuck was getting as good as giving against Mezger, up until he caught Mezger.  Likewise, Overeem was killing Chuck on his feet prior to eating a big right hand. 

Amar and Murillo both gave Chuck a tough fight.  Both of these fighters have good tight structures that are willing to stay on their feet and trade.  Rampage will be content to stand and trade with Chuck.  He has better striking than Tito, a better chin, and can slip as well as shield (Tito's fatal flaw).  Page lost to 2 Chute Boxe fighters in Wandy and Shogun.  Wandy beat Page in the clinch with knees, something that Chuck does not do.  Shogun punished Page, but he is one of the better strikers currently out of Chute Boxe.   In any case, it should be interesting.  I hope to see a competitive fight, but as a betting man, I would still take Chuck to win.  (Retrospectively, Page wins dull decisions against grappling based fighters like Dong Yong Sik, Bustamante, Matt Lindland)  BTW, he should have lost to Ninja. 

For those who say Chuck hasn't improved, he definitely has.  His footwork has gotten a lot better.  He was cutting good angles setting up his looping overhands and uppercuts.  This is one of the reasons he is able to keep his hands so low, and remain flat on his feet.  When Tito threw a straight right, Chuck would be somewhere else, and counterpunches. 

[torquemada]

Chuck Liddell = King of Sprawl and Brawl.  I'm a big Rampage mark, but he's got his work cut out for him...

[americanbulldog]

Chuck Liddell = King of Sprawl and Brawl.  I'm a big Rampage mark, but he's got his work cut out for him...

Mirko Fillopivic=King of the Sprawl and Brawl.  >Chuck Liddell. 

[Scimowser]

Chuck has improved IMO though the following points:

1. Most importantly he has CONFIDENCE.  Being champion has ridden his mind of any self doubt he may have had. It gives fighters a sense of invincibility and you can see the swagger they have when theyre champ.

2. His take down defence is untouchable. Ok he has been taken down in the past, name a fighter who hasnt in as many fights? But every fight allows him to master his current skills and try new things, and he has a take down defence that is practically impenetrable now.

3. His gameplan is solid with every fight he has. He doesnt chase the guys he knows are a threat to him, he simply waits for an optimal opening and finishes them - or causes them serious damage with his power.

4. He has adapted to the Octagon better than alot of his opposition, Rampage is entering a new world there. He has excellent ring awareness and can use it to his advantage no matter where he is.