why is VICTOR MARTINEZ so hyped up this year?

[kiwiol]

Yes but like what Father kiwiol said...he has to develop a work ethic comparable to a Ronnie or Yates...even a Jay.

 Notice that with Jay, Ronnie and Yates...know what they have in common? They stay away from 'the scene' and focus strictly on their job...which is bodybuilding.

 Haney as well.

  Victor is great but he is very very much involved with the whole Bodybuilding living like a rock star 'scene' on the mean streets of New York.

 He needs to isolate himself from the outside world...then he can do it.

Very true and this work ethic is what separates Yates, Haney, Coleman and Jay when they're at the top, where the guys have almost comparable genetics. Look at Kevin Levrone and Flex Wheeler - they were serious and focused in the beginning of their careers and won the Arnold and placed high at the Olympia, justifiably. Same with Chris Cormier. But then, the little bit of fame they got went to their heads and they lost focus, trained with machines instead of heavy, basic free-weight stuff (which is harder and more effective) and paid the price for it with lower rankings by displaying a less-than-stellar look they could have sported had they been spot on.

TBH I think that the work ethic doesn't suddenly enter a person's mind. Drugs do and trainers do, but not the attitude. It's easier to lose the attitude since the hunger is quenched quite a bit by fame and acceptance (amongst the fans). Hopefully Victor doesn't get too distracted cause as someone once said, 'One of the saddest things in the world is wasted talent'. There are guys who had great work ethics but not the genetics, such as Shawn Ray, Dennis James and probably even Marcus Ruhl. But to be the top dog, one needs the right combination of genetics and drugs and training and nutrition and attitude. And when I say genetics, I don't just mean the structure and pre-disposition to put on muscle, but also response to drugs and resilience of joints etc.

[Blockhead]

 Yes. I concur.

 I have reason to believe it was NYC bus driver 'Lorenzo Agnello' who said that the sadest thing in the world is wasted talent.

 Rocky 3 would be an excellent film for Victor to watch every day. That film, that particular story personifies the point you were making, sir.

 Rocky lost the hunger and gave in to the limos, the glory, the mansions, training in a 'health spa' and the glitz. 'Mickey' even told him..."Come on kid...lets go back to our old gym and lets show the blood, sweat and tears again..."

 Victor has the tendency to want the NYC nightlife of playing, clubbin, dancing, after parties and nickle/diming just a little bit more of the humdrum groundhog day lifestyle being the best of the best requires.

[Lift Studios]

vic is probably the only bb other then ronnie, that has a shot at beating Jay

You're forgetting Dexter beat Jay at the Show of Strength Pro Championship.

[benchmstr]

You're forgetting Dexter beat Jay at the Show of Strength Pro Championship.

your forgetting that victor and melvin both beat jay and ronnie at this years olympia,no matter what the placing

bench

[Parker]

  Victor is great but he is very very much involved with the whole Bodybuilding living like a rock star 'scene' on the mean streets of New York.

 He needs to stop associating himself with Gtreg Vavolino. Vic, had the party streak in him, but from what I read, he had had his nose to the grind stone before his NOc win.. All you need is someone like Gregg, and others hyping you up, and being in NYC, its "OHHH, PAPI", this, OHHH PAPI", that, your ego gets blown up, and you lose focus, lose the hunger. Vic might turn into the East East Chris Cormier, if he is not careful.

Wolves don't hang with sheep, they eat them.

[torquemada]

 He needs to isolate himself from the outside world...then he can do it.

Ryker's again?

[Johnny Big Nutz]

He's underrated. If we see him dry as a bone and full best ever it will be an amazing sight to see.

Agree...he has an awesome structure and full muscle bellies..an ideal speciment.

[onlyme]

Maybe he's opening another gym in a neighborhood that doesn't know his past

[Johnny Big Nutz]

Maybe he's opening another gym in a neighborhood that doesn't know his past

Hahah...Great bodybuilder..but honest businessman... no.

[michael arvilla]

If... IF'S and BUTS were  candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Fuckin Christmas...!

Troy Zuccolotto ...American Muscle Magazine (yearly wrap-up show with Lonnie Teper)

circa ...mid to late 90's

[IceCold]

If Vic is working with Chad again, he is going to come in on time.

if his kidney survive.

flex, ronnie, don, tp = care to chime in. 

[rocket]

Heath is overrated.  He's too narrow.  No hate, just saying - being as narrow as he is he should get smoked by an in shape victor.

[getfast81]

Ok Heath is good we get it.  The guy has been in TWO IFBB shows.  Granted he has won both but come on already.  He only won ONE of those shows by a landslide.  Victor placed 3rd at the Olympia and the Arnold last year.  Two highly competitive shows.  Year of the Dominator............... ...