Nothing but a hole in the ground?

[Old_Rooster]

You sound like a foolish old turd... Oh wait...

Foolish?  yes
Old?  quite
Turd?  hmmmm, I wipe my fanny til i draw blood.

[a_joker10]

joker,

nanothermite wsa found by steven jones.  this will not be found in anything you blow up.  he's BEGGED the FBI to test their own pieces, even offered to pay for it.  the nano will show a more advanced explosive and will be quite traceable.  he could trace it himself if they'd open up the book.  But they don't really want to know where any explosives came from, now do they?

you have no idea how materials tests are made. You are dismissing the fact that Steven Jones's evidence is a false positive at the very least at the most he is outright lying. No other sample has tested positive and Steven Jones won't let his sample be tested. His data is not repeatable and therefore incorrect.

There were no explosives.

[GreatFinn]

you're wrong.

911 commission admitted no "plane parts" every hit WTC 7.

And if there "isn't anything odd in that collapse", I will giv eyou $5 USD for every example you can show the class, of a building collapsing that fast from fire, converting itself to powder, and molten steel of course..  Hell, make it $10.  You will not find one example.

Never in history has a steel/concrete building fallen like that.

And do you know why? How long it takes to you to understand that there haven't been any other situation compared to 9/11 in the modern world, so even simple little prick like you should understand that you can't compare that to anything which have happened earlier. Never in history has been so lame arguments that you have been given.

God, it really disgusts me that you argue so hard and you don't know the facts of WTC7. Aside form the fact you told us outright that a plane hit it, now you claim plane parts hit it, which they absolutely did not. 

So what? Two largest buildings of the world collapsed on the ground just few hundred feet away, so any plane part hitting the building would be like a flies shit in that entirety, but like all ways; let's fuc*k the facts. Lets play this for a while with your point of view just for fun:

So you are saying that while there was an attack towards to WTC towers, somebody called demolition team, which of course was on stand by for calls like that, and order them to plant explosives in the burning WTC7. While towers was burning, demolition team plant their charges to the building( which normally takes a week and some heavy equipment, percussion drill's and such, but because they were in hurry they drilled all holes with their dick's, and plant the explosives in the holes). Then they run down and out of the building and detonated it, just because _____________? You may fill there any reason which you can think of, and you still look a moron. This would be fun, but because your total ignorance about everything, this is like trying to piss against a wind. For example: Do you have any idea how those building demolitions really have been prepared? If you wouldn't be all the time playing with yourself or posing with that lame Clock, you would be able to catch some real documentary from some satellite/cable channel, and maybe you would learn something...  

Or did you meant that every thing were premeditated, explosives were planted there weeks earlier etc. How did they did that? How they shut up all those office workers, thousands of them because they would have been witnessing some heavy modding of the building, because you can't hide tons of  explosives under the wall to wall carpet without making some bumps on it. Conspiracy like this can't be accomplish, just because you can't handle all that secrecy with those tens of thousands of people which you need to make conspiracy like this happened. How do you bribe +25000(With all eyewitnesses that figure would be like +250000)  people to shut up to the rest of their life, without any leak, when you are making attack towards your own land? Whole scenario is so fuc*king impossible that anyone can see that there isn't anything to hold it together.  

[a_joker10]

Jones WILL let the FBI test his sample.  They won't.  He will not hand it over to another lab who would fk it up and shrug it off.

joker, i find it impossible for a man of science like yourself to look at WTC collapsing and not thinking anything is wrong.  The building lost all structural integrity on all 47 floors simultaneously.   This has never happened before without explosives.  Can't you see that?

I am waiting to hear what the experts have to say about WTC 7, seeing that you are not an expert I will wait until the NIST reports.

[GreatFinn]

I wish they would take everyone that believes in the 9/11 conspiracy theories and lock them up in mental hospitals immediately.   Dear God, to have these clowns walking the streets freely?  Put them in a prison with books detailing how the moon walk was done in a Hollywood studio and let em giggle til the cows come home, but please at least let them do their giggling behind LOCKED doors so the rest of society is safe from their madness.

Amen

[GreatFinn]

namecalling = meltdown. congrats.

When you say "there hasn't been another situation like 911", slow down.  Building 7 was on fire.  There actually have been other building fires in history, believe it or not.  No plane hit it, as you said earlier.  No plane parts hit it, as you said earlier.  You are arguing using bad information.   Look it up dude.

What you are saying is that WTC7 fire and collapsing was completely separated incident, which haven't anything what so ever to do with whole 9/11 episode, and furthermore, the building would have been collapsing anyway, all it need was some burning napkins?  Way to go. And what next? UFO landed there and aliens shrink the building to take it back home like souvenir  

[a_joker10]

Look at the bigger picture; There is 8 trillion dollars in oil/oil access in Iran/Iraq/afghan.  You now have motivation.
2.3 trillion dollars was announced missing form the Pentagon on 9/10/01.  You now have means.

It's a govt office building, which means people don't work weekends. You have all the access you need, becauase the owner got a $480M payout for the insurance on the building. 

You have badges and the ability gag people.  you can bribe, threaten, etc.  you can bring in foreign teams. you can do what you please.

also, remember - many people believe 911 was the right thing to do for the future of this nation.  Myself, I agree that without 9/11, we wouldn't have invaded those 2 or 3 nations, and we wouldn't own their $8trillion in oil, which will help our econonmy.  But that doesn't make the killing of 3000 right.

Your figure of 2.3 trillion dollars is a book value of all misappropriated spending in the history of the defense department.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

You are using unrelated facts to try to make a point. That is disingenuous.

[GreatFinn]

Look at the bigger picture; There is 8 trillion dollars in oil/oil access in Iran/Iraq/afghan.  You now have motivation.
2.3 trillion dollars was announced missing form the Pentagon on 9/10/01.  You now have means.

It's a govt office building, which means people don't work weekends. You have all the access you need, becauase the owner got a $480M payout for the insurance on the building.  

You have badges and the ability gag people.  you can bribe, threaten, etc.  you can bring in foreign teams. you can do what you please.

also, remember - many people believe 911 was the right thing to do for the future of this nation.  Myself, I agree that without 9/11, we wouldn't have invaded those 2 or 3 nations, and we wouldn't own their $8trillion in oil, which will help our econonmy.  But that doesn't make the killing of 3000 right.

I doesn't see big picture? Well, how about this: Instead of paying bribes to tens of thousands of americans which would cost billions, you pay some money to some crazy rag-head to build up a team and make an attack with passenger jet's. Result will be just same, only you will pay lot less because you don't have to bribe such a fuc*king idiotic amount of stupid americans, who still would squeal in first possible situation they get. Your theory is ridiculous because it is too fuc*king complicated, but you morons are too simple to see it. Why you should make a gigantic conspiracy with half a million people involved, when you can pay some rag-head to do to all work for you?

[a_joker10]

240 -
A classic post.

Instead of showing the south side of WTC 7 that actually received most of the damage, you show the side opposite of the blast. Those photos are from the North side.
Then you ask people to make comparisons.

Show the south side damage and the fact that most of the lower part of the structure was destroyed.

[OzmO]

This has been talked about for a long time.

While there is the observation that WTC7 went down like a controlled demolition we are making conclusions based on incomplete facts.  therefore anything both sides say is pure conjecture. 

Are there ways WTC7 could have gone down like that without explosives?  YES.  Did they?  A:  Don't have all the facts.

We should reserve rhetoric ATM.   

[GreatFinn]

240 -
A classic post.

Instead of showing the south side of WTC 7 that actually received most of the damage, you show the side opposite of the blast. Those photos are from the North side.
Then you ask people to make comparisons.

Show the south side damage and the fact that most of the lower part of the structure was destroyed.

This is just the way which this moron uses to satisfy his desire to assert oneself. It is just like selling a car by just showing a picture of the headlight. "Yes, of course there is a car, I have this picture of the headlight to prove it". It is just futile to comment this wankers posts, because he is incompetent to think by himself. He doesn't answer any questions because he can't answer them, but like a 4 years old, he have endless flow of stupid questions on his own. His logic is quite childish: if there is isn't any significant fire in the corner shown in the picture, it means that there can't be any significant fire in those 47 floors/ 1,868,000 square feet of office space, because it doesn't show in the picture which reveals just about 15% of the building. How smart. Just like "There wasn't any nuclear bomb in Hiroshima, because I didn't see it and therefore it must be lie."

[GreatFinn]

I am saying the building fell from being on fire.  The building NEXT DOOR to it was burning MUCH worse, and remained standing.  Check it out.  Makes you think - why did WTC7, completely intact, fall so fast when the building 30 feet away, burned to a crisp, kept standing?

It is so simple, just like you. WTC7 was build with the steel structure, which looses it's structural hardness in high temperatures. That little building next to it was build with simple concrete structure, which is commonly used to build buildings with moderate height, like this little office building. Difference is that concrete structure doesn't lost it's hardness in fire like steel does, so it doesn't collapse because of even very fierce fire. On the other hand, steel heated up to temperatures like +800°C is soft like butter, and in fires like that or those which happened in WTC towers, temperatures could rise to near to +1500°C. It means that rivets pops out from the structure, beams would bend any which way it is possible to go, firm structure will change to wet noodle, and down she goes. There isn't no way in hell to save it. When it happens, it happens suddenly, because there always is some point to cross. Trembling of the building doesn't show those in those clips, but there doesn't has to be anything more than that. Then, when it snaps, it goes down just like that.     

Classic distraction you've been trained to use. 

I truly hope that you will been trained to do even something, because I get better argument from my 15 year old son. He is able to answer my questions, which clearly is something what you can't do, because you are just a stupid windbag. Why don't you try to pull your head out of your ass and look around. You may learn something. Get a job, meet some people, so you doesn't have to live your whole life in the Internet...And by the way:  I bet it is quite depressing to live with all those fears, so why don't you give that Clock of yours to your mom, because you might use it to yourself in that misery which you are living in. Not that I wouldn't be supporting you all the way to do it, but I really doesn't think you are worth even of a bullet.