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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2007, 10:24:13 AM »
Exactly, I use free weights and machines all the time....its the folks that abandon the free weights completely in favor of the machines that lose out.
correct.a combination of free weights and machines builds the ideal physiue
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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2007, 10:26:06 AM »
You could reach your max potential ONLY USING MACHINES as they certainly are better designed to get the job done much more efficiently.

Free weights are overrated actually. 

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2007, 10:26:37 AM »
You could reach your max potential ONLY USING MACHINES as they certainly are better designed to get the job done much more efficiently.

Free weights are overrated actually. 

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2007, 10:29:38 AM »
Anything that exhausts the muscle and is difficult will work.


IF I were to put you in an Artifical enviroment of higher gravity, lets say 4 times the amount on earth, but one that is survivable.

You will in fact have better musculature from just existing and interacting in that enviroment than you would with all of your free-weight training.


You MENTALLY think free weights are better.  It is more of a psychological issue than anything.

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2007, 12:07:43 PM »
I always find this argument funny... machines versus free weights - like a single muscle fibre can tell the difference - it only knows whether it is been made to contract or not that is it.

Also, I'd like to see someone train calves or hamstrings exclusively without machines too...

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2007, 01:13:36 PM »
I always find this argument funny... machines versus free weights - like a single muscle fibre can tell the difference - it only knows whether it is been made to contract or not that is it.

Also, I'd like to see someone train calves or hamstrings exclusively without machines too...

I've been saying the same thing for years and years.....
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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2007, 01:17:52 PM »
I always find this argument funny... machines versus free weights - like a single muscle fibre can tell the difference - it only knows whether it is been made to contract or not that is it.

Also, I'd like to see someone train calves or hamstrings exclusively without machines too...

You could even have the BEST quads, by just doing leg extensions and nothing else.

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2007, 01:33:12 PM »
You could reach your max potential ONLY USING MACHINES as they certainly are better designed to get the job done much more efficiently.

Free weights are overrated actually. 

I agree here.

100lbs. is 100lbs., whether it's a round plate or a square brick.

Your muscles don't know the difference, heavy is heavy

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2007, 01:33:21 PM »
Anything that exhausts the muscle and is difficult will work.


IF I were to put you in an Artifical enviroment of higher gravity, lets say 4 times the amount on earth, but one that is survivable.

You will in fact have better musculature from just existing and interacting in that enviroment than you would with all of your free-weight training.


You MENTALLY think free weights are better.  It is more of a psychological issue than anything.
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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2007, 01:35:28 PM »
You could even have the BEST quads, by just doing leg extensions and nothing else.
Serious...is that for shock value or do you believe that.


also. Wouldnt those rubber bands with the handles build mass too. Or the bow flex.??? I dont think so.

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2007, 01:36:51 PM »
i just think that there is no movements that can subsitute exercises like squat (free), deadlift, barbell curl, and incline bench press. Anything after that machines are cool. just as long as the basics are still preformed
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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2007, 05:25:16 PM »
i dont use any machines for calves just stack the wieght on my lap for seated and do standing calve raises off a block......... and for hams stiff leg deads after quads..

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2007, 07:02:45 PM »
i dont use any machines for calves just stack the wieght on my lap for seated and do standing calve raises off a block......... and for hams stiff leg deads after quads..

sure you can improvise but NOBODY is gonna develop gary strydom level calves and hamstrings without some machine work.

stiff legs are great but they only do one of the two functions of the hamstrings which is to extend the hip. The other function is to flex the knee and for that you need a leg curl machine... knee flexion is also a prime function of the gastrocnemius muscle in the calf too btw...

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Re: Pros and machines
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2007, 07:07:19 PM »
I always find this argument funny... machines versus free weights - like a single muscle fibre can tell the difference - it only knows whether it is been made to contract or not that is it.

Also, I'd like to see someone train calves or hamstrings exclusively without machines too...

just when you think there's no common sense left around these parts.
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