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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2013, 11:29:59 PM »
 

Okay, go ahead. Show me the evidence.

By the way, where are your studies on prayer working? You said you were going to post them. I await both studies.

lol @ you believing there is as much scientific evidence on your side as there is on my side lol.

By the way, Coach, is this the love, acceptance and tolerance that Jesus was talking about?  :o :o

Dude you're not actually debating if prayer works are you?  Not even debatable.  What next Jedi force powers?

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2013, 11:31:54 PM »
Dude you're not actually debating if prayer works are you?  Not even debatable.  What next Jedi force powers?
 

Well, I do not think it works as some people do, but Coach said there is evidence, so I want to see it. I am just calling him out because he said he was going to post the studies. I am waiting. Not really debating, just seeing whether coach posts the studies.  :D :D
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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2013, 11:36:43 PM »
 

Well, I do not think it works as some people do, but Coach said there is evidence, so I want to see it. I am just calling him out because he said he was going to post the studies. I am waiting. Not really debating, just seeing whether coach posts the studies.  :D :D

The idea of even being studies is crazy itself, should never be studied. No point.  Any "study" showing power of prayer either good or bad would have to be severely flawed.

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2013, 11:41:38 PM »
The idea of even being studies is crazy itself, should never be studied. No point.  Any "study" showing power of prayer either good or bad would have to be severely flawed.


This was my post on page 3 (the paragraph below). I do believe prayer works, but not for the reason theists believe. I believe it acts as a form of social support, which is fundamental for people with medical problems. In terms of social support, the literature has consistently linked social support with a whole host of positive outcomes when it comes to medically ill patients. Hope this makes sense.

There is a difference. Did prayer make them feel better and aid them in recovery? Sure, I can agree that prayer makes people feel better and aids in recovery. But so do a lot of other things such as meditation, mindfulness, deep breathing, etc. The fact that prayer makes people feel better and helps them with recovery is no surprise. Knowing that someone is praying for you is a form of social support. Research has also shown that women with breast cancer,  who attend support groups, on average, live 2 years longer compared to those women who do not attend support groups. Thus, the fact that you know someone is praying for you is a form of social support, and social support is needed when medically ill.

The real question is can prayer cure incurable diseases, which has been a claimed many times. Studies have shown that when people pray for people who have incurable diseases, there are no effects in terms of the illness magically disappearing. Plain and simple, prayer does not work when you take chance out of the equation. The fact of the matter is that when people choose prayer over medicine, especially when it comes to diseases, guess what? They die! Prayer does not work when it comes to curing people. It may aid in recovery, but that is much different than curing something with only prayer.
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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #79 on: May 23, 2013, 04:17:51 AM »
Jesus doesn't approve of injecting anabolic steroids in order to get humongous ripped and shredded ebony and ivory muscles all over the body.

It is understood that anybody partaking of the forbidden anabolic fruits for vain purposes will burn for all eternity in hell.

You have been warned.

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2013, 05:13:30 AM »
Where the hell is this proof that prayer is documented to work?

HAHAHAHAA....   

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2013, 05:40:13 AM »
In a better place than where Hitchens is.

You are a fuckin retard

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2013, 05:53:40 AM »
True Adonis will be a Shepherd of God .... Not today, not tomorrow but he will be one. When cronic erectile dysfunction becomes permanent and no treatment will be of help; given his blood pressure and reaction to Viagra,cialis Etc....He will have the biggest awakening of them all.....
he will be above all getbiggers (spiritually speaking of course) his best cure will be Christ, and finally become a deacon.

Marc my words.

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2013, 05:53:57 AM »


There is a difference. Did prayer make them feel better and aid them in recovery? Sure, I can agree that prayer makes people feel better and aids in recovery. But so do a lot of other things such as meditation, mindfulness, deep breathing, etc. The fact that prayer makes people feel better and helps them with recovery is no surprise. Knowing that someone is praying for you is a form of social support. Research has also shown that women with breast cancer,  who attend support groups, on average, live 2 years longer compared to those women who do not attend support groups. Thus, the fact that you know someone is praying for you is a form of social support, and social support is needed when medically ill.

The real question is can prayer cure incurable diseases, which has been a claimed many times. Studies have shown that when people pray for people who have incurable diseases, there are no effects in terms of the illness magically disappearing. Plain and simple, prayer does not work when you take chance out of the equation. The fact of the matter is that when people choose prayer over medicine, especially when it comes to diseases, guess what? They die! Prayer does not work when it comes to curing people. It may aid in recovery, but that is much different than curing something with only prayer.


Did you read the entire report? The results were that prayer did not work.
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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2013, 07:52:30 AM »
Where the hell is this proof that prayer is documented to work?

HAHAHAHAA....   


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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2013, 08:33:00 AM »
Everyone is an atheist deep down. Religious people know deep down in their heart of hearts there is no god. If they truly believed they would kill themselves and their families to be with god in heaven.
what  ???

wow that is the stupidest thing I ever heard, You can't possibly believe that

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Re: Great Atheist Moment- Wolf Blitzer and Tornado
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2013, 09:52:50 AM »
You guys know this 'Coach is Back' isn't really pre-Obama election Coach...right?  You know this is a gimmick taking the piss.  Compare the writing styles and it's pretty easy to see.