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NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« on: April 15, 2007, 11:47:25 AM »
NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
By Jim Leusner, Orlando Sentinel Staff Writer
April 15, 2007, 2:27 PM EDT

NASA paid $26.6 million to the families of seven astronauts who died aboard space shuttle Columbia -- a settlement that has been kept secret for more than 2 1/2 years.

The space agency recruited former FBI Director William Webster, also a former federal judge, to act as a mediator and adviser in negotiating the out-of-court settlements, according to documents released to the Orlando Sentinel through a federal Freedom of Information Act request.

The newspaper's request yielded just seven pages of documents that leave many questions unanswered, including exactly when the settlements occurred.

In an interview with the Sentinel, Webster, also a former CIA director, said he was bound by confidentiality and couldn't discuss details of the agreements, but defended the process as proper.

"The members of the [survivors'] families wanted this to be a private matter," said Webster, a consulting partner in Washington with the international law firm of Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. "They were healing, and they were ready to discuss, properly, their rights. . . . Everyone felt it had a better chance of coming together without seeing their name in lights."

In brief written responses to Sentinel questions Friday, NASA spokesman Allard Beutel said little about the settlements, citing family privacy. He said the money came from the agency's budget via a 2004 congressional appropriation.

"The Columbia astronauts were our friends and co-workers," Beutel wrote. "Our concern always has been with the crew's families and their loss, and as a result NASA didn't announce details of the settlement in an effort to protect the personal privacy of the Columbia families."

Former NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe and ex-general counsel Paul Pastorek, who helped set up the settlement process, did not return phone calls and e-mails.

Dr. Jon Clark, widower of astronaut Laurel Blair Salton Clark, said NASA was "deferential" in dealing with the families through a turbulent period in their lives.

"We were in a state of shock," he said. "To go the lawsuit route, it's very painful and very protracted. So we settled."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists, said he understood the families' desire for privacy but criticized NASA for not disclosing the settlements earlier. NASA, he said, is behaving as if the settlement is a source of embarrassment.

"It's not NASA's money. It's public money," he said.

Few details known

Columbia's astronauts died Feb. 1, 2003, when the shuttle broke up on re-entry. An investigating commission later determined that chunks of insulation shed from the tank during takeoff damaged Columbia's left wing, triggering the accident.

Killed were Air Force Col. Rick Husband, 45, mission commander; Navy Cmdr. William C. McCool, 41, who was the shuttle pilot; mission specialists Kalpana Chawla, 41; Navy Capt. David M. Brown, 46; Navy Cmdr. Clark, 41; and payload specialists Air Force Lt. Col. Michael P. Anderson, 43; and Israeli Air Force Col. Ilan Ramon, 48, Israel's first astronaut.

The documents were released to the Sentinel last month after a reporter filed requests in 2005 and 2006. Stephen L. McConnell, NASA's principal FOIA officer, insisted the agency was not trying to delay the records release.

Five of the seven astronauts on Columbia were military officers and barred from suing the government because they were on active duty while on loan to NASA, making contractors likely targets for lawsuits. But the government tries to avoid litigation in such high-profile accidents, said Mark Dombroff, a McLean, Va., aviation defense lawyer and former Justice Department official who handled air disasters in the 1980s.

"The settlements sound very reasonable," Dombroff said.

The documents released to the Sentinel include a cover letter from McConnell disclosing the overall settlement amount, but no specifics about how much money each of the families received. Webster said he thought they were finalized by Nov. 22, 2004, when he was awarded a distinguished public-service medal from NASA -- the agency's highest honor given to a nongovernmental employee -- for his pro bono work on the case.

McConnell's letter also states that further details are exempted from release because they expose NASA's deliberations in the matter or would violate the privacy of survivors' families. The only substantial document on NASA stationery was a March 26, 2004, letter from then-agency general counsel Pastorek, finalizing Webster's selection as a mediator and adviser. In the letter, Pastorek called the disaster a "tragic loss" and said his office had performed a "privileged and confidential" review of "potential legal exposure" for NASA and its contractors. It said NASA had advised family members to retain lawyers and that early discussions had been "positive and constructive."

"The Administrator has volunteered to engage in a form of mediation with the families as an alternative dispute resolution process," Pastorek wrote. "(As you know, alternative dispute resolution procedures are being used with increasing frequency by federal agencies to avoid the costs and delays associated with conventional litigation.)"

The negotiations also would ensure secrecy. As in other out-of-court settlements, the families would promise not to make any future legal claims against NASA or its contractors.

'A moving experience'

Webster said his team met with the seven families and their attorneys, both collectively and individually, in 2004. The families made emotional presentations with videos, computerized slide shows and economic projections for lost income.

Each family presented its own view of the financial damages they were due, but all agreed to receive the same award for pain and suffering of the astronauts during the accident, Webster said.

"It was a moving experience," Webster said. "And as a total family, they all accepted the settlements.

"It was really an honor to do it. I didn't give the government's money away but tried to be fair to everyone."

Jon Clark, husband of astronaut Laurel Clark, said he spent $200,000 consulting with his own lawyers. The settlements, he said, were on the "low side" of what survivors sought, though he wouldn't give an exact figure to protect the security of families.

Parents, spouses and children all received compensation, he said. Astronauts with doctoral degrees also received slightly more than those with master's degrees.

"It wasn't a lot of money. A few million [dollars] isn't much," he said. "We had to prove our loved ones were worth something."

Clark, 53, who left NASA in 2005 and now does research for Baylor College of Medicine, said the process also highlighted problems. Families with a larger number of children received less per child than smaller families. Clark said he argued that larger families should have received more, even if it meant less for him and his son, now 12.

Two astronaut families ordered preflight insurance policies through NASA, but the agency failed to obtain the additional coverage before the accident.

All the families threatened to go public, Clark said, before the agency paid the two families the additional insurance. Another astronaut who died on the mission did not have a will. Clark said his own wife's will was 10 years old.

Clark said he told Webster and NASA that the agency should buy $3 million to $5 million insurance policies before each flight, as the Canadian Space Agency does for its astronauts.

At the time of the accident, military personnel serving as astronauts were entitled to $206,000 in death and basic insurance benefits, and civilians received significantly less. Both were viewed as inadequate.

As a military widow, Lani McCool said she and her three sons expected no additional government money other than insurance. She said she was not interested in suing NASA and was grateful for its handling of the settlements.

"They were extremely sensitive and so respectful of the widows and how public everything had been," she said. "It meant so much to me."

After the 1986 Challenger disaster, four families of the seven astronauts killed reached out-of-court settlements with the Justice Department for a total of $7.7 million.

Sixty percent of those costs was paid by Morton Thiokol, maker of the faulty boosters that triggered the Challenger disaster after launch from Kennedy Space Center, documents show.

NASA since has helped indemnify defense contractors in such lawsuits.

The wife of Challenger pilot Michael Smith sued NASA in 1987. But a federal judge in Orlando threw out the case, ruling that Smith, a Navy officer, died in the line of duty. She later settled directly with Morton Thiokol, as did the other families.

Clark, who said he has lived in a state of "suspended animation" after the accident, is rebuilding his life. To him, the NASA settlement means little.

"Give me my wife back, keep the money and we'll call it even."

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2007, 12:08:13 PM »
Fucking bullshit! How are these astronauts different from any random murdered on the street?  >:(

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 01:26:10 PM »
An investigation into Columbia was started in 8 days.
Challenger 7 days.
JFK 7 days.
Pearl Harbor 8 days.

9/11............ 411 days.


Anyway, for this topic, it keeps them from suing for NASA's possible negligence in not checking that skin damage.

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 01:35:53 PM »
Fucking bullshit! How are these astronauts different from any random murdered on the street?  >:(

Gee... let me see, dying on the job as a result of defective equipment supplied by the employer,
...vs a randam act of violence? Nope... no difference there.  ::)
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 01:50:31 PM »
What does the family get when a man dies in Iraq?  Is it still in the neighborhood of $12,000?


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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 02:02:45 PM »
Gee... let me see, dying on the job as a result of defective equipment supplied by the employer,
...vs a randam act of violence? Nope... no difference there.  ::)

jag that wasn't defective equiptment..these people KNEW the risks involved..

the titan rocket is just the V2 rocket which in turn in the V1 nazi doodlebug modified..thanx to dr verner von braun..

for the full story about what else NASA keeps from you

Hitler had an active research program into "flying disks" wonder why that NEVER makes prime time news?

he actually had BMW develop engines
proof with pix


http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html




NASA hiding things??

proof..below

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6692952930996256219&q=secret+space



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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 02:11:06 PM »
The only problem I see here is that these payments were kept secret for 2.5 years.  Why?  Privacy or comfort of the families is not sufficient cause to justify this secrecy.  With very few exceptions (such as issues of national security) when public money is being spent, the public has a right to know and that information must be made available or communicated in a timely manner.  This is particularly true in a state like Florida with Sunshine Laws.

The families certainly deserved compensation.  The lost astronauts were literally taking mankind into the future.  By the way, astronauts are not grunts.  They among the most educated, talented, and well trained people our country has to offer. 

Review astronaut bios and you'll see most have a Ph.D. in fields from aeronautics to engineering to physical chemistry--and that is all before they begin their years of NASA training.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_former.html

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 02:17:45 PM »
What does the family get when a man dies in Iraq?  Is it still in the neighborhood of $12,000?



Families get a $100,000 death gratuity payment, plus my insurance is $250,000. If you die within 120 days after seperation then you get 12,500. The VA will also pay up to $2,000 in burial costs. Also surviving spouses recieve about $1100 a month (as long as not remarried) and like $250 per child under 18. They also recieve health and education benefits for life and are paid Housing allowance for 365 days
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2007, 02:21:59 PM »
jag that wasn't defective equiptment..these people KNEW the risks involved..

the titan rocket is just the V2 rocket which in turn in the V1 nazi doodlebug modified..thanx to dr verner von braun..

for the full story about what else NASA keeps from you

Hitler had an active research program into "flying disks" wonder why that NEVER makes prime time news?

he actually had BMW develop engines
proof with pix


http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html




NASA hiding things??

proof..below

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6692952930996256219&q=secret+space


The news we got up here was that that particular launch was rushed over the safety objections of some NASA engineers.
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2007, 03:22:31 PM »
What does the family get when a man dies in Iraq?  Is it still in the neighborhood of $12,000?

The actual death benefit is now $100,000. 

Most guys generally have an additional $100,000-200,000 of insurance coverage, but they can get up to $400,000 through SGLI now:

http://www.insurance.va.gov/sgliSite/SGLI/sgli%20faq.htm#5


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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2007, 03:29:38 PM »
The actual death benefit is now $100,000. 

Most guys generally have an additional $100,000-200,000 of insurance coverage, but they can get up to $400,000 through SGLI now:

http://www.insurance.va.gov/sgliSite/SGLI/sgli%20faq.htm#5



Not sure if this is a true story or an urban legend, ...but i heard there was this guy who was a superstar at selling insurance policies to enlisted men. He pretty much maintained a 98% close ratio while all the other guys who also sold insurance to GI's was around 20%. One day, his supervisors called him in to discover what he was doing to be so successful.

He calmly explained he laid it out like this:

If you buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military has to pay out $500,000.
If you don't buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military only has to pay out $12,000

Who do you think they're gonna want to throw into battle first?
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2007, 03:31:18 PM »
By the way, astronauts are not grunts.  They among the most educated, talented, and well trained people our country has to offer. 

I think the number should've been a bit higher...at least $4 million per person.    

I can't imagine that it's easy to get life insurance when you're an astronaut.  

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2007, 03:35:41 PM »
Not sure if this is a true story or an urban legend, ...but i heard there was this guy who was a superstar at selling insurance policies to enlisted men. He pretty much maintained a 98% close ratio while all the other guys who also sold insurance to GI's was around 20%. One day, his supervisors called him in to discover what he was doing to be so successful.

He calmly explained he laid it out like this:

If you buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military has to pay out $500,000.
If you don't buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military only has to pay out $12,000

Who do you think they're gonna want to throw into battle first?

Urban legend (and a new one on me, at that).

Almost every enlisted servicemember who's insured gets that coverage through SGLI.  It's almost always set up as a standard payroll deduction when they're going through recruit training, same as the GI Bill or College Fund.  In other words, there really are no insurance salesmen around the military personnel anymore...just people trying to sell everything else they can on credit. 

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2007, 03:36:50 PM »
Urban legend (and a new one on me, at that).

Almost every enlisted servicemember who's insured gets that coverage through SGLI.  It's almost always set up as a standard payroll deduction when they're going through recruit training, same as the GI Bill or College Fund.  In other words, there really are no insurance salesmen around the military personnel anymore...just people trying to sell everything else they can on credit. 

This was supposedly from WWII
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2007, 03:50:54 PM »
The actual death benefit is now $100,000. 

Most guys generally have an additional $100,000-200,000 of insurance coverage, but they can get up to $400,000 through SGLI now:

http://www.insurance.va.gov/sgliSite/SGLI/sgli%20faq.htm#5



you forgot all the other benefits, The VA will also pay up to $2,000 in burial costs. Also surviving spouses recieve about $1100 a month (as long as not remarried) and like $250 per child under 18. They also recieve health and education benefits for life and are paid Housing allowance for 365 days
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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2007, 04:26:23 PM »
If you buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military has to pay out $500,000.
If you don't buy the policy, and die in combat, ...the military only has to pay out $12,000

Who do you think they're gonna want to throw into battle first?

damn funny.  damn sad.

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Re: NASA paid $26.6M to Columbia families
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 04:50:06 PM »
damn funny.  damn sad.

if only it were true..leave it to Jag to post factless info
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