Campus Security

[240 is Back]

Campus security AND cops should've been in the friggin building during the spree. Where were they? Cowards. What use are they?

cell phone video showed them standing outside as multiple shots rang inside.

[pumpster]

cell phone video showed them standing outside as multiple shots rang inside.

Exactly; WTF was that? Heavily armed too.

[Always Sore]

Exactly; WTF was that? Heavily armed too.

Do you guys have a link to the video?

[Camel Jockey]

Do you guys have a link to the video?

It's the video taken by a student. Here are some frames.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0704/gallery.ireport.vt.shooting/frameset.exclude.html

[pumpster]

Great job of standing around, security!!

[Always Sore]

Great job of standing around, security!!

Wow thats hard to watch. I understand caution (I know I know) but who knows if they have what it takes to go running into a building wtih someone you have no idea is at shooting? Since they had no idea what was happening I can (maybe) understand better not to act then to either make it worse or kill someone else by mistake. sucks all around.

[pumpster]

Wow thats hard to watch. I understand caution (I know I know) but who knows if they have what it takes to go running into a building wtih someone you have no idea is at shooting? Since they had no idea what was happening I can (maybe) understand better not to act then to either make it worse or kill someone else by mistake. sucks all around.

Caution while shots are fired, when that's what you're paid to rarely have to do is absurd, to the extent shown there.

[Always Sore]

Caution while shots are fired, when that's what you're paid to rarely have to do is absurd, to the extent shown there.

I understand what your saying but there is a complete difference from a group of swat who could and do practice this situation to a bunch of normal cops and campus security. In the end people are people and you have only one life and regardles of what your job is I understand caution. If they zoom in there and kill students trying to flee by accident or cause a guy who is only shooting at shadows to start droping kids what would happen?

[pumpster]

I understand what your saying but there is a complete difference from a group of swat who could and do practice this situation to a bunch of normal cops and campus security. In the end people are people and you have only one life and regardles of what your job is I understand caution. If they zoom in there and kill students trying to flee by accident or cause a guy who is only shooting at shadows to start droping kids what would happen?

Paralysis by analysis, both your post and their actions. With shots ringing out everywhere there has to be more than standing around, maybe a combination of prudence and action. Just takes a little guts, which should be a prerequisite for the job, don't you think?

[Always Sore]

Paralysis by analysis, both your post and their actions. With shots ringing out everywhere there has to be more than standing around, maybe a combination of prudence and action. Just takes a little guts, which should be a prerequisite for the job, don't you think?

Everything is a easy choice when you watching it on TV..I understand how cops work and I bet you would hardley ever see someone inside a structure hidden and firing where a bunch of cops ran inside. They tend to set up a permiter and asses the situation, then make a choice. This all happened on the fly correct. Having been shot at in the service my first reaction was to duck for cover and check myself for holes.Maybe you would have handled it differently and you could be 100% correct but its hard to tell from what I saw is all I am saying.

[pumpster]

Everything is a easy choice when you watching it on TV..I understand how cops work and I bet you would hardley ever see someone inside a structure hidden and firing where a bunch of cops ran inside. They tend to set up a permiter and asses the situation, then make a choice. This all happened on the fly correct. Having been shot at in the service my first reaction was to duck for cover and check myself for holes.Maybe you would have handled it differently and you could be 100% correct but its hard to tell from what I saw is all I am saying.

Here's what we know:

-They did nothing.

-Everyone possible was killed.

Those are pretty good indications more should've been tried.

[Always Sore]

Here's what we know:

-They did nothing.

-Everyone possible was killed.

Those are pretty good indications more should've been tried.

I feel what your saying and to some extent agree with you but its not always the easy answer or way things are done. Its like now everybody says if they were on a plane and somebody with a box cutter tried to take it over they would "hero" it up, but before 9/11 everybody was always told sit quiet and do not cause a problem and after some time you will be let go. All I am saying is if they rushed in and saved some but mistakenly in the action killed three or four others and injured more then everybody would want to know why they rushed in.

[pumpster]

All I am saying is if they rushed in and saved some but mistakenly in the action killed three or four others and injured more then everybody would want to know why they rushed in.

Sure, but it's erroneous to make that assumption; that's a worst-case. Case-by-case, common sense.

[240 is Back]

Correct me if I am wrong, but they are trained and paid to enter and quickly locate the source of the shooting and put him down.

I do a lot of gun training myself, and I'm sure the police do way more.  I would feel confident entering that building if I had to (if it was my job) so I think it's safe to say those men with badges had adequate training.

When shots are ringing, they CAN find the source.  it's quiet time that's dangerous to enter.  When you KNOW the source of the shooting is down this hallway, you can eliminate all other directions.

[pumpster]

When shots are ringing, they CAN find the source.  it's quiet time that's dangerous to enter.  When you KNOW the source of the shooting is down this hallway, you can eliminate all other directions.

Plus the shots are a pretty good hint to hurry the f*** up given that the students aren't likely armed.

[Always Sore]

Correct me if I am wrong, but they are trained and paid to enter and quickly locate the source of the shooting and put him down.

I do a lot of gun training myself, and I'm sure the police do way more.  I would feel confident entering that building if I had to (if it was my job) so I think it's safe to say those men with badges had adequate training.

When shots are ringing, they CAN find the source.  it's quiet time that's dangerous to enter.  When you KNOW the source of the shooting is down this hallway, you can eliminate all other directions.

Look at all the footage of shootings in progress or shows like dallas swat they always set up around the situation then make a decision. Unless they were there and drawn on and fired at they did what they are trained to do.I agree you would think there is a better way but really and unfortuntly I don't think there is.

Plus 240 you know inside a building the sound of gunfire is muffled and reabounds and with no idea who was doing it if you ran in a crowded building chance are you get shot before you get the target.

[Always Sore]

Sure, but it's erroneous to make that assumption; that's a worst-case. Case-by-case, common sense.

Yea bad example but I was trying to use a different way to look at it.