Hey Libs, still can't figure out who the enemy is?

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

here's a thought.

The more information one is exposed to, the more likely one will make a well-informed, correct decision, right? 

Intenseone hasn't budged an inch despite years of information on how corrupt and evil his party leaders are.  Thanks to "faith" many people don't need factual information to form their opinions.

[OzmO]

here's a thought.

The more information one is exposed to, the more likely one will make a well-informed, correct decision, right?

Well, as more and more information has come out showing the true motives for the war, the lies big and small, and the actual status of things on the ground, people are more likely to make the correct judgment of leaders and their choices, right?

We've seen Bush's approval drop from the 80s to the 20s, right along the same time that this great deal of information has emerged. 

Is this because those 60% of Americans (180 mil Americans) have received more information and changed their position? 

Yes,  it's because 180 million Americans woke up.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Office of the War Profiteering, Corporate Funding, Environment Polluting, Education Slashing, Baby Killing, Soldier Neglecting, Favors for the Rich, Freedom Crushers.  Yep, I want to work in Cheney's office!

So you're running on both sides? How is this possible ?

[headhuntersix]

Here's athought, lets for once stay on topic...shitbag terrorists who have killed our fellow citizens and soldiers using a friggen childhood icon to make the world less safe for our own kids.

[Archer77]

So you're running on both sides? How is this possible ?

THis is why it is so easy to control people because they are forced to choose between two sides.  Its an us against them mentality.  Divid and conquer.  The world is complex to think this way. 

[OzmO]

Here's athought, lets for once stay on topic...shitbag terrorists who have killed our fellow citizens and soldiers using a friggen childhood icon to make the world less safe for our own kids.

Re-read it and perhaps consider putting it in perspective.

Who cares what they use?  What if they used something that looked like Barney?  BIG F-ing Deal.  You have Palestinian TV conditioning their youth to respond to oppression.   Why do you suppose they do that?  Maybe because they have been repressed by Israel for the last 50 years?  We'd do the exact same thing if China was breathing down our necks, bombing us, pushing us around, evicting us, etc... and had a complete economic strangle hold on us and they were where Canada is.

Then maybe by using the same objective perspective you see that Hamas has different  "goals" than Al-Queda.

Then by a long shot, you  might even see that the story is garden variety propaganda dribble designed for the unenlightened brain washed drones who still support BUSH.

[headhuntersix]

And um maybe if they didn't go into a Sbarro's and blow up innocent people the Israeli's could have pulled out years ago. How come when back in 1998, when the Israeli's agrred to eveything the PLO wanted..did Yassir Arafat tell them no, at Camp David. They want perpetual war. Why have'nt their fellow islamic brothers helped them out with more the AK-47's and insurgency training. Why, cause they know the palastininas area praise pain in the ass and a drain on Israeli resources. Look we both have wildly different views on this but lets not blame Bush on issue. 

[OzmO]

And um maybe if they didn't go into a Sbarro's and blow up innocent people the Israeli's could have pulled out years ago. How come when back in 1998, when the Israeli's agrred to eveything the PLO wanted..did Yassir Arafat tell them no, at Camp David. They want perpetual war. Why have'nt their fellow islamic brothers helped them out with more the AK-47's and insurgency training. Why, cause they know the palastininas area praise pain in the ass and a drain on Israeli resources. Look we both have wildly different views on this but lets not blame Bush on issue. 

I donno know, you tell me.......Are they inbred warriors and crazy violent people's bent on the US's demise?  Com-on there is much more to it than what you posted there.

You are right, BUSH is not to blame on this particular issue.

[headhuntersix]

Of course there is but at this point..its like the IRA..kiling Brits to kill Brits...they have lost sight of the goal.

[OzmO]

Of course there is but at this point..its like the IRA..kiling Brits to kill Brits...they have lost sight of the goal.

I agree with you.   Or perhaps they have chosen the wrong way to accomplish their goals. 

[headhuntersix]

Yeah..i mean..take the IRA..ok in the begining perhaps a legitimate cause (debateable) but as the killing goes on, the Brits get more determined. Its a circle thats almost unbreakable. Then they go and kill Mountbaten , which was the closest they ever got to the Royals and the Brits dig in even more. The palestinians do the same thing. If I was the PR guy for the them I'd put a moritorium on the bombing and start a huge PR campain to show the Israeli's are acting like Nazi's and that we as palestinians only want peace. I'd disband the terrorists and work the talk shows to death to shame them into peace.

[OzmO]

Yeah..i mean..take the IRA..ok in the begining perhaps a legitimate cause (debateable) but as the killing goes on, the Brits get more determined. Its a circle thats almost unbreakable. Then they go and kill Mountbaten , which was the closest they ever got to the Royals and the Brits dig in even more. The palestinians do the same thing. If I was the PR guy for the them I'd put a moritorium on the bombing and start a huge PR campain to show the Israeli's are acting like Nazi's and that we as palestinians only want peace. I'd disband the terrorists and work the talk shows to death to shame them into peace.

Good idea,  but the only problem is that they'll never be allowed on American TV in the magnitude needed to affect change.

[headhuntersix]

Ah but u don't hire a Palastinian..u hire an American or a Palastinian American who looks good. The Isreali's like to use BB Netanyahu because he looks good...born in New York Etc.

[The Enigma]

Stop melting down Mr. Hate.

You're hate for someone different than you led to accusations of kiddie porn and lying about his service and career.

You're so fueled by hate for those that are different that you blindly blamed someone with different political views of the most heinous acts for no other reason than he doesn't agree with you.

And you tell me to "Grow the fuck up". 

I see Jeff remembered. 

[Camel Jockey]

Wow, see this is why I posted this and posed the question, you clearly don't know who enemy is.

They didn't have to be our enemy. We made them our enemy.

Should leave the girls to kill each other.

[Mr. Intenseone]

They didn't have to be our enemy. We made them our enemy.

Should leave the girls to kill each other.

Really, did we make them our enemy in the 70's 80' 90's and now?

[gcb]

Really, did we make them our enemy in the 70's 80' 90's and now?

As long as the US supports Israel the Arabs (and to some extent other muslims) are going to hate the US.