John Romano if you read this: You were not telling the truth in the latest MD

[Stark]

MD May issue:

You wrote and article called: The Curse of the 90s

First let me congratulate you for choosing a gray background, any wannabe noob designer would tell you that grey background and black font is far easier on the eye than, black background and white Font... but thats beside the point.
The bone I have to break with you is because I believe you were lying in the article or at least stretching the truth to an unimaginative proportion.
At one point in the article you were talking about Dan Duchaine somebody you called who would never advice druguse unless has felt the effect on himself... this I could believe, but you go further and from here on I quote:

For example one day he walked into my kitchen through the back door. O was standing at the sink washing some dishes. I had a sponge in one hand and a small plate in the other that I was just starting to rinse off when Dan said: Stick your Arm out!!!!

I just kind of automatically complied and stuck my arm with the plate still attached over the sink. Dan pushed his finger down on one of my veins in my forearms and then produced an insulin syringe with his other hand. He pulled the orange cap off with his teeth and slipped the needle into the vain he was pushing on faster than I could say: Hey get the fucking needle away from me! I watched as a whole CC of red stuff disappeared into my veins: Am I going to die soon? I asked.
Dan pulled the pin out and a drizzle of blood followed it, to which he paid no attention. He than looked at his digital watch and pressed the two buttons that start the timer with a beep: Let me know when you start peeing, he said....From here on he asks Dan what it was and If he wants to clean the blood up, Dan said it was :Lasix 20mg...

This story sounds extremely fishy to me, first If somebody would ask me to put my arm out and than see that he wants to give an injection... never mind how much I trust the guy I pull my arm back, and remember Dan did not even have the syringe ready he had to first make sure he has the vain prepped, and sec take the yellow hut of the syringe off.
I have seen plenty of junkies take heroin and to get a vein to pop out it's not enough to just hold a finger for a sec, and syringes don't just "slip" in the vein... you have to hold real still for that to happen.

I think you simply made that story up, I have no idea if you cruise getbig (I would be suprise if you are not) nor if you have an account here, just want to give you a chance before I post this at MD.

I believe that you were probably begging him to give you that stuff...

[Manninen dude]

Stark, you pesky punk 

[muscularny]

lol yeah read that too

[Stark]

Stark, you pesky punk 

lol dude, I'm just wondering how he did that

[FreshMintBlue]

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa HaHaHaHaHaHaHa funny thread

[GroinkTropin]

At first it sounded like he was going to get raped in the kitched, what a fucking psycho. Sales must be down for him to write some crap like that.

[Stark]

Sales must be down for him to write some crap like that.

Does it realy matter? With 200+ pages of advertisment MD pays for itself

[Manninen dude]

lol dude, I'm just wondering how he did that

Iim glad I was able to help 

[Matt C]

When I read that article I didn't doubt it, but only because I didn't know much about Dan Duchaine other than the fact that he died young...presumably of abuse of one type of drug or another.

John also spoke about how Dan purposely took too much insulin just to know the effects of it.  How irrational must a person be to think they need to experience something to best know how to educate others on its use?  Extremely irrational!  If I wanted to learn what the symptoms of a drug were, I would read medical reports outlining them.  But that's just me, what with the fact that I like to use my brain and everything. 

I take deep offense to people who think they know more than others just because they have been in the trenches so to speak.  You don't need to have any personal experience with using drugs to understand their efficacy and related side effects.  With all due respect, Dan Duchaine struck me as being not very intelligent.  I kind of hope Romano exaggerated those stories for effect.

[danielson]

You don't need to have any personal experience with using drugs to understand their efficacy and related side effects. 

Can you explain in detail what it feels like to withdrawl from heroin?

[Matt C]

Can you explain in detail what it feels like to withdrawl from heroin?

Interesting that you ask that.  I can say that I don't know much, but I was fairly close to an opiate addict on methadone just a few months ago before we sort of lost touch.  She told me by advice was the best she had heard from everyone and I should work as a motivational speaker. 

During our conversations she did explain to me roughly what it felt like to go through a heroin withdrawal, which she described as being far worse than claims of it being like a bad flu or the like.

That being said, if I wanted to learn in more detail what it felt like, I would ask her or simply read medical resources on the topic!  Even online sources can be very credible at times:

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/herowith.htm

Why would I need to experience a withdrawal to know exactly, step-by-step what to expect from such a withdrawal?  All drug withdrawals or side effects are patterned in manners that we can effectively transcribe and understand in a temporal manner.  There is no need to experience it for yourself if you have the intelligence to comprehend the side effects by studying them beforehand.

[Manninen dude]

With all due respect, Dan Duchaine struck me as being not very intelligent.

His theories were largely nonsense.

[danielson]

Interesting that you ask that.  I can say that I don't know much, but I was fairly close to an opiate addict on methadone just a few months ago before we sort of lost touch.  She told me by advice was the best she had heard from everyone and I should work as a motivational speaker. 

During our conversations she did explain to me roughly what it felt like to go through a heroin withdrawal, which she described as being far worse than claims of it being like a bad flu or the like.

That being said, if I wanted to learn in more detail what it felt like, I would ask her or simply read medical resources on the topic!  Even online sources can be very credible at times:

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/herowith.htm

Why would I need to experience a withdrawal to know exactly, step-by-step what to expect from such a withdrawal?  All drug withdrawals or side effects are patterned in manners that we can effectively transcribe and understand in a temporal manner.  There is no need to experience it for yourself if you have the intelligence to comprehend the side effects by studying them beforehand.

I have never detoxed from heroin, but have many times from other opiates. Reading about it can't describe it at all imo. Physical pain and aches are relative from person to person to some degree I assume. But the mental side of it really has to be experienced to understand it imo. Which is not to say someone who has never used can not know anything about the subject, I just don't think they could know as much as someone who has.

[davidpaul]

I have never detoxed from heroin, but have many times from other opiates. Reading about it can't describe it at all imo. Physical pain and aches are relative from person to person to some degree I assume. But the mental side of it really has to be experienced to understand it imo. Which is not to say someone who has never used can not know anything about the subject, I just don't think they could know as much as someone who has.

ok we get it, you have done drugs "toughguy"

want a blue peter badge?

[danielson]

ok we get it, you have done drugs "toughguy"

want a blue peter badge?

lol

[davidpaul]

lol

hahahahaha ok "danielson"  , I bet your the kind of guy who jacks of to movies with such shirtlifters as Judd Nelson and Anthony Michael Hall, and then tells anyone who cares how he nearly made the high school football team, hahahaha, gayer than a uncle rico blowjob.

[Matt C]

His theories were largely nonsense.

You know who I looked at as kind of being a Dan Duchaine wannabe?  Nelson Montana.  I don't know enough about his point of view to say for certain he was a quack or not but I do remember him saying some things which were pretty unorthodox.

It kind of annoys me when people come out with books with unorthodox diets which totally go against conclusions of scientific experimentation.  The more I read scientific literature, the more I realize that it is the most likely to be accurate - can science be flawed?  Sure!  But it is the least flawed basis to formulate any conclusion in any topic in life, period.  People naive to this are more likely to listen to quacks who claim that there answers "must be right" (no matter how unscientific).  Stick with science and logic - it will be the least likely to lead you astray!

[danielson]

hahahahaha ok "danielson"  , I bet your the kind of guy who jacks of to movies with such shirtlifters as Judd Nelson and Anthony Michael Hall, and then tells anyone who cares how he nearly made the high school football team, hahahaha, gayer than a uncle rico blowjob.

As a "mod" you should know better than to post this kind of shit on the main boards. I might join team "Big" Nav and vote for you to get demodded 

[davidpaul]

As a "mod" you should know better than to post this kind of shit on the main boards. I might join team "Big" Nav and vote for you to get demodded 

You fuck with me, you fuck super moderator bluto.

[arkk]

Matt C, for someone who is a professional bodybuilding DVD reviewer, you sure know alot about bodybuilding training philosophies, morals, logic, and life in general.   The whole Duchaine not being very intelligent comment was golden.

What is your secret to being the Rainman of getbig?

[danielson]

You fuck with me, you fuck super moderator bluto.

Well, I wouldn't fuck with a super mod like Bluto, but it is very tempting to join Team Naveen.

[Matt C]

Matt C, for someone who is a professional bodybuilding DVD reviewer, you sure know alot about bodybuilding training philosophies, morals, logic, and life in general.   The whole Duchaine not being very intelligent comment was golden.

What is your secret to being the Rainman of getbig?

LOL!!

That's funny you say that because in high school I was called "Rain Man" by a lot of other students, mainly because my memory was so sharp that I knew 100% of the schedules of everyone I knew in the school (hundreds of students).  In Ontario we had school up until grade 13 and people would ask me what their grade nine schedule was and I would recite it for them.    Also, someone would get a mark like 11.5 out of 13 on a quiz and I would be able to determine what their percentage was to two decimal places - that was another memory trick - I would first determine the approximate percentage by doing the math in my head and that would clue me in on what the percentage was based on values I had previously memorized - chances are, if I had calculated that mark at any time in my life, I would have had it memorized.  Sometimes I didn't need to do any of the math in my head because I just had the percentage memorized from another time I saw that same mark at some point in high school.  I would also get 100% in all my math courses which freaked people out too.

I went to university for many years studying a number of subjects and getting multiple degrees - the other thing to consider is that since I work on my website for a living I have an abundance of free time and a general lack of stress in my life.  The result is that I spend a lot of time reading and learning and making a point to train my brain as often as possible to ensure that what I learn sticks with me.  I also feel that science and logic are the most important tools we as humanity have and I give them great respect and learn from them every single day.

 

To danielson: I hear what you're saying, but I still think science will give you a very firm idea of just about anything.

[Van_Bilderass]

John also spoke about how Dan purposely took too much insulin just to know the effects of it.  How irrational must a person be to think they need to experience something to best know how to educate others on its use?  Extremely irrational!  If I wanted to learn what the symptoms of a drug were, I would read medical reports outlining them.  But that's just me, what with the fact that I like to use my brain and everything. 

Utter bullshit. We are talking about drugs wrt bodybuilding application.

No one who met Dan has said he was stupid. He was reckless and "eccentric" but he pioneered a lot of the drug protocols etc that bb'ers still use today. Science is good, and Dan did obviously study a lot of the scientific information, but you don't know what the drugs will do to a bodybuilder until you try them. You think you can find info in medical journals whether if Nolvadex helps lower body hardness in female bodybuilders on androgens? If insulin will put muscle on a nondiabetic bodybuilder and what dosages you'd have to use? How much insulin you can take without dying while you are also doing a lot of GH and steroids?