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More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« on: June 01, 2007, 10:44:50 AM »
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2007/ss_terror_06_01.asp


Suspected terrorists sueing Boeing becaue the CIA used their planes to transport them.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 10:48:02 AM »
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"American corporations should not be profiting from a CIA rendition program that is unlawful and contrary to core American values," ACLU executive director Anthony Romero said. "Corporations that choose to participate in such activity can and should be held legally accountable."

Interesting take on this from the ACLU.

I don't know that i agree or disagree ATM.

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 10:49:08 AM »
The U.S. government has a program for seeing that "suspects" are tortured and you focus on the ACLU's response?   ::)
Stick out your tongue.

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2007, 10:50:35 AM »
I said a while back on some other thread that we don't torture, we let other people do it for us.    Here's an example.

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 11:00:55 AM »
These guys were'nt suspected of mugging somebody..they're fucking terrorists.....guys who may want to nuke us.....At some point u libs will get it.... yeah maybe Bush dropped the ball and has confused the issue, but plenty of other folks have kept an eye on the real threat. They want to detonate a nuke on American soil...this is their goal in life. And what the hell are we going to do about it..can't really retaliate on a massive scale. I guess we could could go on the grand tour of the Middle East..Syria, Iran etc..wipe them all out if we get nuked. In any event better some scumbag get a little beat up then us glowing.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2007, 11:04:42 AM »
These guys were'nt suspected of mugging somebody..they're fucking terrorists.....guys who may want to nuke us

They are "suspected" terrorists.  And for that you are willing to have them tortured.  You have no appreciation for HUMAN rights.  You have no respect for constitutional rights.  Like all the other hate-mongering conservatives (either Christian or Muslim extremists) it is your type that is the greatest threat to the U.S. and the rest of the world.  You are no hero.
Stick out your tongue.

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 11:07:28 AM »
This is torture..these are the bad guys...being holier then thou will get us dead. Besides did I say u should be torture..or American citizens..no.

http://www.mrc.org/press/2007/press20070531.asp
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 11:07:36 AM »
I agree.   Whether they are suspected of terrorism or theft, they still should be "innocent until proven guilty".

I realize it isn't always practical but that is a concept our country is built on.

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2007, 11:13:55 AM »
They are "suspected" terrorists.  And for that you are willing to have them tortured.  You have no appreciation for HUMAN rights.  You have no respect for constitutional rights.  Like all the other hate-mongering conservatives (either Christian or Muslim extremists) it is your type that is the greatest threat to the U.S. and the rest of the world.  You are no hero.

They don't have constitutional rights dumb ass. I don't believe in International law for scumbags...In your world of milk and cookies..fuzzy bunnies and belly rubs before beddy bye...the terrorists would all play nice if big bad America would just stop hunting them down..because we are why they took up arms in the first place. Its wasn't some nutbag 7th century pedofile with delusions of grandeur with alot of hate in his heart for his fellow man. Nope it was America..and if we would just be fair eveything would be ok..because thats what everybody will do if America just learns to get along. Guys like u are the danger. The threat is staring u right in the face and until ur face melts off because some shitmokey with a dirty nuke goes nuts in one of our cities..u will continue to blame your own country.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2007, 11:21:26 AM »
They don't have constitutional rights dumb ass.
The threat is staring u right in the face and until ur face melts off because some shitmokey with a dirty nuke goes nuts in one of our cities..u will continue to blame your own country.

The threat is you.  Invading a sovereign country, killing its citizens, dismantling its structure to create a civil war, and stealing its natural resource.  It is your kind of conservative hawks that create enemies in the world.  Every kid in Iraq who lost a family member should want to kill U.S. soldiers and see the U.S. bombed.  Your creating destruction and death does nothing to make anyone any safer- it only leads to justified hatred against America.  You are the enemy.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2007, 11:25:14 AM »
 ::) ::)...hahahha and ur naive world view based on whats fair and fuzzy bunnies and sunny happy people will get us all nuked. I didn't decide to invade shit....Yeah orzmo I have no answer for u....but its not like the alternative to being wrong is a civil suit..it means we're glowing.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2007, 12:22:17 PM »
The U.S. government has a program for seeing that "suspects" are tortured and you focus on the ACLU's response?   ::)

Damn them torturing the prisoners..........


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - Offered a high-calorie diet and kept in their cells almost around the clock, many detainees at Guantanamo Bay are becoming fat.

Meals totaling a whopping 4,200 calories per day are brought to their cells - U.S. government dietary guidelines recommend 2,000 to 3,000 calories per day for weight maintenance - and some inmates are eating everything on the menu.

One detainee has almost doubled in weight, to 410 pounds (186 kilograms), Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand, spokesman for the detention facilities, said Monday.

Human rights groups attribute the weight gain to lack of mobility in the detainees' small cells. They cite accounts of released detainees who complained of being allowed to exercise fewer than three times a week.

But Durand said detainees are simply served a wide variety of food and expected to choose what appeals to them.

"The detainees are advised that they are offered more food than necessary to provide choice and variety, and that consuming all the food they are offered will result in weight gain," he said.

Most of the prisoners were picked up in Afghanistan and other conflict zones and were slightly underweight when they arrived at the military prison in southeast Cuba. Since then, they've gained an average of 20 pounds (9 kilograms), and most are now "normal to mildly overweight or mildly obese," he said.

The meals include meats prepared according to Islamic guidelines, fresh bread and yogurt. With nearly all detainees fasting in the daytime during Ramadan, authorities have arranged for two separate meals - a post-sunset meal and a midnight meal - to be delivered after dark. Traditional desserts and honey are served during the Ramadan observances.

The calorie intake at Guantanamo is well above the norm for federal inmates in the United States - they receive about 2,900 calories a day, said U.S. Bureau of Prisons spokesman Michael Truman. He said weight gain in the civilian system does not appear widespread and that most inmates "keep themselves in pretty good shape."

Prisoners who are more compliant get more exercise time at the prison, which now holds about 460 detainees, some of them kept for more than four years on suspicion of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The most compliant detainees get up to 12 hours of exercise time, with access to treadmills, stationary bikes and other exercise equipment, Durand said. Guantanamo officials say "compliancy" is gauged solely by whether a detainee follows detention center rules and avoids causing disturbances, and has nothing to do with whether he is cooperating with interrogators.

Citing prison rules, Guantanamo officials wouldn't disclose the identity of their heaviest detainee, but Durand said he now weighs 410 pounds (186 kilograms), and arrived in 2002 weighing 215 pounds (98 kilograms).

Durand said all prisoners, including those held at maximum-security Camp 5, are allowed at least two hours of daily recreation - the minimum called for by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

However, reporters who visited Camp 5 in September were told that the exercise time had been reduced to one hour after the suicides of three detainees in June. During that visit, a "high-value" detainee could be seen walking in circles around a 10-by-18-foot fenced-in "recreation yard."

The exercise time has since been increased to 90 minutes, the commander of the camp guards said, and there were plans to restore the two-hour exercise periods.

The conflicting accounts of prisoners' exercise time highlight a need for neutral monitors to examine conditions and report their findings, said Curt Goering, of Amnesty International USA.

"The army says one thing, camp commanders say one thing, and then there's this other information available," he said. "It's really important that someone independent makes that assessment."

A delegation from the International Committee of the Red Cross arrived at the prison last week for interviews with detainees. The humanitarian organization, which does not publicly release some findings as a condition of its access to prisoners, was hoping to get a first glimpse of 14 top alleged al-Qaida figures and other terror suspects previously locked up in CIA secret prisons.



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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2007, 12:38:21 PM »
those gitmo chumps need an ECA stack.  ;D

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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2007, 07:00:46 PM »
They are "suspected" terrorists.  And for that you are willing to have them tortured.  You have no appreciation for HUMAN rights.  You have no respect for constitutional rights.  Like all the other hate-mongering conservatives (either Christian or Muslim extremists) it is your type that is the greatest threat to the U.S. and the rest of the world.  You are no hero.

Did Rosie O'Donnell start posting here? What constitutional rights do foreigners have in this country? Those rights are for the citizens.
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Re: More stupidity from our friends in the ACLU
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2007, 12:38:24 AM »

The meals include meats prepared according to Islamic guidelines, fresh bread and yogurt. With nearly all detainees fasting in the daytime during Ramadan, authorities have arranged for two separate meals - a post-sunset meal and a midnight meal - to be delivered after dark. Traditional desserts and honey are served during the Ramadan observances.


Good grief.  What's next, a taxpayer funded prison mosque?