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[EL Mariachi]

Why I should have to justify statements made here is a mystery.

Mick Curren supplied that adjustable Hack machine to Mick Chapman at Hotbodz in Miranda, Sydney. Mick Curren is a machinist and the quality of his equipment is excellent. He used ingenious mechanisms and his equipment should have cost way more than it did. People here might be surprised to learn that Mick visited Sydney after I called him in Melbourne. Well, he actually lives just outside of the city. He told me he had heard about me but until he actually met me he didn't believe I existed. He told me I had the reputation of a legend in the industry. That surprised me because I stopped making equipment for others after I installed equipment in the Fitness Network for Chris Lee. I previously outfitted Bob Landers gym in Southern Sydney. Mick Curren agreed that my equipment was better than his but I acknowledged his workmanship was superior to mine. We both came up with original ideas.

It is always nice to be flattered but I try to keep a level head. Mick Curren came to my gym and was amazed at all of my designs. By the time he ended his visit I think I convinced him to stop making machines so cheaply for 'showrooms' for some gym owners. What happened was he would build a machine for Hotbodz and sell it way under retail. Other orders were supposed to pay for that prototype. Mick quit making commercial equipment and concentrated on home gym equipment. He stayed at my place for the night and the next day drove his truck to my factory in Windsor to have a look at my setup. I ended up letting him take a spare welder I had plus a few other things. He promised to pay me over a thousand dollars after he got home. It took him a long time to pay me but he eventually did. Some gym owners in Sydney claimed Mick still owed them refunds or equipment. I smiled to myself because these very same gym owners wouldn't give me his phone number when I wanted to talk to him. Later they called me and I gave them Mick's number. I always pay my debts and don't like it when I hear others are slack. In Mick Curren's defense he was foolish to keep building expensive machines without making a good profit. Gym owners love to boast about how cheap they acquired their equipment for. Guys manufacturing equipment usually go broke in Australia or they give it away.

Most of the Sydney gym owners respect my equipment but would not pay what I asked for building it. I never published a price list so most of my stuff was custom made equipment. I never made a profit making equipment. Ask Mick Chapman about my equipment as he has one of the best equipped gyms in Australia.

spare me the details would ya vince

[knny187]

Muscle Works equipment is of the highest standard. Sometimes gym owners repaint equipment. I had some of mine powder coated but most of the time I sprayed mine with hammertone paint.

The cost of materials for my Hack machine was about $2,500 and that was back in 1991. Materials cost much more today. Most people here have no idea what it costs to manufacture equipment. Many gym owners get welders to make benches, etc., so they don't appreciate the trouble it takes to have a factory and design equipment. Like I said, most gym owners don't even get their hands dirty.

you're paying too much for your steel imbecile

maybe that should be your last name

Vince Imbecile

[wes]

Long drawn out posts or what?

GEEZ!

[knny187]

I have some things to build for my gym so I can't reply to everyone here. Why Ron allows jerks to try to destroy a good thread is one of the crap things about Getbig. As many know I never reply to some dickheads and they continue to try to embarrass me with crass and insulting posts. Those posts will stand out like excrement among the sensible posts. When these guys get ignored they resort to more nonsense. I guess it is their way of being smart. Good for them.

Try to embarrass you?

you're doing a fine job all by yourself dipshit

 

[jwb]

Long drawn out posts or what?

GEEZ!

actually vince's answers clarifies some stuff I was curious about the equipment scene in aust...

[jwb]

you're paying too much for your steel imbecile

maybe that should be your last name

Vince Imbecile

I think you are underestimating the cost of linear bearings, hardened shafts and stainless steel...

[knny187]

I think you are underestimating the cost of linear bearings, hardened shafts and stainless steel...

Only in "Vince's World"

[Tony Doherty]

Now about Michael Gearon and Sports Kinetics. Michael visited my factory in Milperra to discuss gym equipment way back in about 1983. I did my best to discourage him from enterring this profession. He lived on a farm near Melbourne and had a barn where he could build equipment. He even used single phase motors on his machines! I told him he wouldn't survive in the industry because it was too hard for an Australian company to survive in such a small market. Years later Michael told me I was right and he should have listened to me. He now imports gym equipment into Australia.

I wasn't happy to hear that Gearon was telling people he worked with me in the past. When I confronted him about this claim he was embarrassed. One day he showed up in Sydney with a pec deck for me free of charge for using my designs for my Smith machine, for example, without permission. That was nice of Michael. I had to modify his design to my standard and do major surgery on a few of the mechanisms. I had to replace a few of his aluminium pulleys which were being destroyed by the wire rope.

Michael sold his designs some years ago to Magnum Gym equipment in Brisbane for a reported $25,000. He was lucky to get that much when he shut down his business. It wasn't long after he sold those designs that Magnum went out of business. Like I said it is very difficult to succeed in Australia in this small market.

Tony and others in Melbourne have never been informed much about the Sydney gym scene because the bodybuilding magazines have been published in Melbourne and the two cities have always ignored each other. They play different codes of football. Sydney has an Aussie Rules team called the Swans but Sydney supports Rugby League which is a form of rugby union with different tackle rules. I invite Tony to visit my gym and see my equipment for himself and then write here about what he thinks. To prejudge me without seeing my equipment is not being fair dinkum.

Thanks for explaining that Vince. I will drop in to see your gym later in the year. How long since you have been to Melbourne? If ever?

TD

[The Ugly]

Why I should have to justify statements made here is a mystery.

It's not that you should; it's that you can't help yourself.

Read any one of your "conversations" here to verify. You're what my dear great-granny used to call "a real fucking douchebag."

[IronFan]

There was a training system recommended by some in York that I tried when I was there. It was doing static contractions with a barbell held against pins in a power rack. The idea is to train muscles M W and F then do the free weight movement on Saturday. You hold the weight in a different position each training day. One day 1/3 of the way up, another day 1/2 way up and the last 2/3 of the way up. You did 3 X 10 seconds holds with the maximum weight you can use to do the full 10 seconds. This was as close to time under tension that I have seen or done. I put on half an inch on my arms that week and on the Saturday surprised myself by doing a strict barbell curl with 175 pounds which was about my bodyweight then. I didn't have a power rack so abandoned that training method so I never did find out if it held more promise. This system sure increases strength.

I remember very well an article in Strength and Health on this very principle. I was concerned about loss of flexibility and muscles becoming too short/tight using isometrics, so didn't use this method.  That was one strong dude in the article tho. Shoulder pressed 390 using iso training.  Same guy you referred to maybe.

I kind of wish I'd discovered Flex before S&H, since Hoffman's emphasis was powerlifting. Injured myself over and over trying to get as strong as some in his mags...  Never had the frame for powerlifting.

Keep the stories coming. Great reads.

[Wombat]

Thanks for the thread Vince...You looked good back in the day for sure...A few  questions--And im not trying to be funny

1. What was the homo to straight ratio back in your day in the business?  We have all heard that a large percentage were gay...Just how much money did you make in that sort of thing? Is it true you paid for your porsche that way? I don't mean any disrespect, I got a PM from someone stating that as fact..If its too personal, i certainly understand...

2. What was the heaviest hefer you and your buddy Roz doubled up on? Are we talking well over 500 pounds plus?

3. Do you have any photos of these heffies working out on your equipment? That would be a sight to see...

4.Why don't you give all your equipment a nice uniform color?

5. I notice you stated that you were almost kicked out of a gym for calling a guy fat...If that is true, do you feel so much remorse over it that its made you a chubby chaser to this day?  And if so, wouldn't just calling the guy and asking for his forgiveness be easier and much cheaper on the wallet?

6. What is the most you dropped on dinner on one of these plumpies?

7. Do you show these fatties pictures of what you used to be and how do they react?

8.  How long of a posing session do you do for these cows before banging them? Do they get pissed off that they want to be fcked like yesterday but you have to show them each pose and/or your actual posing routine of your canada victory?

9. When you hit a bicep pose for one of these pigs, have the words "I bet you have never seen anything this large" come out of your mouth?

10. So you make your own equipment---Is it safe to say that you have made yourself a bed that can hold a couple tons of weight for you and you fetish?

11. Who has banged the heaviest Rhino? You or Roz...

12. I notice that you know exactly how big every part of your body was or is at any giving time.  I'm assuming that you are one of those gents that measure their own unit a couple times a week(who doesn't right) with that said, have you thought of altering the penis pump to make it better or have you made a machine to make the penis grow?...That may be something that actually could make some money..Just make sure it isn't pink like alot of your other equipment...I'd be the first one in line for one of these Vince(ok now you know something personal about me)

13. Lets say its a friday night about 11pm and most restruants are closed but you got one of those hippos on your jock looking to get railed but she needs a mid-night carb fix...my question to you is if you go to Micky D's down the road and hit up the dollar menu and give the cashier a c-note. Would it be enough money?  And if so, just how much change would you expect to get back?...Could a 600 tub of lard really pound down 50 plus cheese burgers?

14. Last question Vince...You like your women large for sure. But was their ever a time that you said to yourself " no fucking way im banging that"???And if so, just how large are we talking?


These are all serious questions Vince....Although i know some are personal, you kind of opened the door to ask personal questions? I always thought the guys who were true chumby chasers were very skinny black crack head types...I was wrong for sure

Keep the photos coming Vince...And don't sweat Chick...He is a historian of anything bodybuilding and he probably loves the photos also...But Chick is a funny bastard for sure...

[jwb]

Thanks for the thread Vince...You looked good back in the day for sure...A few  questions--And im not trying to be funny

1. What was the homo to straight ratio back in your day in the business?  We have all heard that a large percentage were gay...Just how much money did you make in that sort of thing? Is it true you paid for your porsche that way? I don't mean any disrespect, I got a PM from someone stating that as fact..If its too personal, i certainly understand...

2. What was the heaviest hefer you and your buddy Roz doubled up on? Are we talking well over 500 pounds plus?

3. Do you have any photos of these heffies working out on your equipment? That would be a sight to see...

4.Why don't you give all your equipment a nice uniform color?

5. I notice you stated that you were almost kicked out of a gym for calling a guy fat...If that is true, do you feel so much remorse over it that its made you a chubby chaser to this day?  And if so, wouldn't just calling the guy and asking for his forgiveness be easier and much cheaper on the wallet?

6. What is the most you dropped on dinner on one of these plumpies?

7. Do you show these fatties pictures of what you used to be and how do they react?

8.  How long of a posing session do you do for these cows before banging them? Do they get pissed off that they want to be fcked like yesterday but you have to show them each pose and/or your actual posing routine of your canada victory?

9. When you hit a bicep pose for one of these pigs, have the words "I bet you have never seen anything this large" come out of your mouth?

10. So you make your own equipment---Is it safe to say that you have made yourself a bed that can hold a couple tons of weight for you and you fetish?

11. Who has banged the heaviest Rhino? You or Roz...

12. I notice that you know exactly how big every part of your body was or is at any giving time.  I'm assuming that you are one of those gents that measure their own unit a couple times a week(who doesn't right) with that said, have you thought of altering the penis pump to make it better or have you made a machine to make the penis grow?...That may be something that actually could make some money..Just make sure it isn't pink like alot of your other equipment...I'd be the first one in line for one of these Vince(ok now you know something personal about me)

13. Lets say its a friday night about 11pm and most restruants are closed but you got one of those hippos on your jock looking to get railed but she needs a mid-night carb fix...my question to you is if you go to Micky D's down the road and hit up the dollar menu and give the cashier a c-note. Would it be enough money?  And if so, just how much change would you expect to get back?...Could a 600 tub of lard really pound down 50 plus cheese burgers?

14. Last question Vince...You like your women large for sure. But was their ever a time that you said to yourself " no fucking way im banging that"???And if so, just how large are we talking?


These are all serious questions Vince....Although i know some are personal, you kind of opened the door to ask personal questions? I always thought the guys who were true chumby chasers were very skinny black crack head types...I was wrong for sure

Keep the photos coming Vince...And don't sweat Chick...He is a historian of anything bodybuilding and he probably loves the photos also...But Chick is a funny bastard for sure...

isn't roz a woman? can women "bang" rhinos as well as guys?

[Wombat]

isn't roz a woman? can women "bang" rhinos as well as guys?

If i'm not mistaken, I believe this Roz character is the one that owns the gym with him...

[jwb]

If i'm not mistaken, I believe this Roz character is the one that owns the gym with him...

i'll let vince answer this one...

but hey, chubby chicks need some lovin like the rest of us!... just not with my dick