Senate Vote on Gonzales Blocked

[Decker]

I'm just trying to understand your position. 

Torture - I believe it was Jose Padilla (or might have been someone else) who claimed a cold cell with no blanket was torture.  Ozmo and I had a discussion the other day about whether being isolated in a cell with little or no human contact is torture.  I view torture as physical (and in some instances mental) pain.  I don't view making some prisoner sleep with no blanket with the lights on as torture.  I'm not even sure waterboarding is torture.  If you want to see an example of torture, review this:    http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=150753.0  I doubt this is the kind of stuff Gonzales advocated. 

The Military Commissions Act was by and large a party-line vote, but 12 Democrats in the Senate and 34 Democrats in the House voted for the bill.  Are they evil? 

I am not using moral relativism.  I didn't say it was okay for Bush to do it, because Clinton did.  I specifically said I don't condone warrantless wiretaps.  I'm addressing the "evil" issue.

My point in mentioning Clinton, Congress, and the numerous judges who agreed with Gonzales goes back to the article I posted.  Maybe Gonzales is just wrong.

Nothing is stronger than good and evil and nothing is more relative than good and evil.

The Military Commissions Act is a disgrace.  Any lawmaker giving it the nod is knowingly participating in the evil that Bush does.

The US can now do Stress and Duress acts to suspects as well as sensory deprivation.  Some of these suspects have died during interrogation.

I'm not sure how this jibes with Abu Grhaib and hooking up car batteries to the groin and nipples of suspects.

I'd hate to think this is real:  http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh_children_raped.html but Sy Hersh has been very right about these things.  http://www.samefacts.com/archives/torture_/2004/05/copper_green.php

I highlighted the word supsects b/c that's what many of these people who are tortured are:  untried detainees.

Even if convicted, I still do not condone torture.  That is for lesser cultures and thugs.

Gonzales wrote memos seeking ways to legally immunize U.S. government officials from prosecution under the War Crimes Act.  He's as bad as it gets.

[Dos Equis]

Nothing is stronger than good and evil and nothing is more relative than good and evil.

The Military Commissions Act is a disgrace.  Any lawmaker giving it the nod is knowingly participating in the evil that Bush does.

The US can now do Stress and Duress acts to suspects as well as sensory deprivation.  Some of these suspects have died during interrogation.

I'm not sure how this jibes with Abu Grhaib and hooking up car batteries to the groin and nipples of suspects.

I'd hate to think this is real:  http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh_children_raped.html but Sy Hersh has been very right about these things.  http://www.samefacts.com/archives/torture_/2004/05/copper_green.php

I highlighted the word supsects b/c that's what many of these people who are tortured are:  untried detainees.

Even if convicted, I still do not condone torture.  That is for lesser cultures and thugs.

Gonzales wrote memos seeking ways to legally immunize U.S. government officials from prosecution under the War Crimes Act.  He's as bad as it gets.

Who raped those kids?  That's horrific. 

[Decker]

Who raped those kids?  That's horrific. 

It is mindnumbing.  I do not know the answer. 

Even if the US led parents to believe that this was happening, w/out the act being perpetrated, it is ghastly. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

There's a list there, including a modification of the Hersh claim.  Frankly, I just don't have it in me to go over it.

Have a great night Beach Bum.